There is this kid who wants to run me with a 92 civic hatch w/ b16. He told me he was runnin 15.8 before, but I think he was lying to me. Supposedly now he's got a type-r tranny, type-r cams, an afc, a vtec controller and other basic things. All of his honda buddies who look up to him and want to lick his ball bag think its the shit. They say i will lose cause my car is heavy. I was just curious what the average b16 hatch with similar mods should be running? My mods are basically a 16g, full exhaust, boost control with the fuel to boot, so Im not too worried.
Racing a b16 hatch, need help
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actually type r motor's aren't 8g's they are more like 4.5 if he does all the labor himself if not then it will obvoisly be more money. Now as for the race if he has the B16 still and he is just talking shit about the type r motor then he should be running a low to mid 14's if he does have a type r motor he should be running low to mid 13's just depends on the driver and how built the engine is. There was a whole lot of hatch owners around here real cool guys and they ran around mid 13's average but that was with a gsr motor with type r internals and a 50 shot. Basically if you can drive good i wouldnt be worried to much about it. Almost half garunteeing that he dont have shit and is just talking out his ass cause that's what most of the honda boys around my area do. Oh and for all the people going to doubt me on my price of the engine go to www.osakajdmmotors.com 4200 for type r swap including everything you need even ecu.
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I killed a hatch with jdm b16, exhaust, v-afc, striped interior, yadah-yadah with a ported 14B, 3inch exhaust and 14psi. I wasnt pretty. now i obliterate the same guy regularly with new motor, turbo, yadah-yadah
why spend all that money to polish a turd? in the end it's still a turd.
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why spend all that money to polish a turd? in the end it's still a turd.
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My best friend has a 92 hatch w/ a B16a2 (SiR engine i believe) w/ full exhaust, intake, VAFC, short shifter, and MSD ignition and ran a 14.4 w/o slicks. Pretty quick. I have run him on the highway tons of times w/ mods in sig. and a 13G running 10lbs of boost and if I get the jump, I walk easily. If he jumps, he walks easily. We're going to the track this Wed. to see who's faster. I think he'll beat me b/c he gets 2.2 60' and I get 2.7's. But, I'm taking out the subs, putting race gas in, and gonna beat the shit outta my tranny to get the jump. I'll be sure to post the results
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my question for honda kids is why go type-r when you can go ls/vtec or b20/vtec with a ported/polished head, cams, cam gears, and the basic bolt-ons? you get torque and you can beat the stock type-r with that setup.
1500 for a full swap... i swear to god, some people here are so stuck up. FWD dsms shouldnt be putting down hybrid civics... b/c they only REAL advantage we have over them is AWD for the most part. I'd bet you money if the poster of this thread was FWD he would lose... a B16 in an old hatch is good for high 14s... add cams to that, and SERSIOUSLY depending on the driver they are a low 14 second car easy. Hell, cams + all the boltons is usally good for 13's if they hook up.
but really, high 14's ISNT fast, nor are low 14's really. the amount it takes to make honda's fast is ridiculous, kid here has cams, fuel sys, clutch prelude si motor the works, and a vortech supercharger full exh, and runs like a 14.3. same with a s2000 here, runs 13.9 supercharged. theyve got crazy money into the cars for that.
low 14s is fast for an NA 4 cyl. If they put a turbo on thier cars, they are in the same boat as the FWD dsms... No matter how much HP you have, you cant hook up enough to really get good times.
Consider this: RSX Type-S 1/4 time: 14.8 weight: around 2800lbs
2g GS-T 1/4 time: 14.8 weight: around 2800lbs
Need I say too much more? Sure not all hondas are great... but for NA power in a 4cly, you cant beat them. Just wait until you start running into K20 swapped older hatchbacks... those only weigh around 2300lbs.
In the end, its just the fact you are still dealing with FWD is their only big weakness in my opinion. Well, that and sucky drivers need not apply.
Consider this: RSX Type-S 1/4 time: 14.8 weight: around 2800lbs
2g GS-T 1/4 time: 14.8 weight: around 2800lbs
Need I say too much more? Sure not all hondas are great... but for NA power in a 4cly, you cant beat them. Just wait until you start running into K20 swapped older hatchbacks... those only weigh around 2300lbs.
In the end, its just the fact you are still dealing with FWD is their only big weakness in my opinion. Well, that and sucky drivers need not apply.
for NA power u cant be one???? theyre are so many NA's that eat honda's, turbo honda's have no potential yet still... a guy here has a turbo'd CRX, with a b16 swap, port work on head bored over etc, t3/t4 turbo, full exh, intake, stand alone, fuel sys, and runs a 13.8 with slicks and doesnt spin AT ALL. hes got more money than i can imagine in it, and still cant TOUCH me. my friend has a beretta GTZ quad 4 that eats honda's all day. a civic si runs a 16.7 1/4 mi, a prelude si runs a 15.1 (97+ vtech) but still i dont see where honda's are in the same boat as a fwd dsm, a fwd dsm has so much more potential than a honda ever will.
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I'll bet you that I wont looseAce140 said:
. But I will agree that not all honda's are slow. Last time at the track I saw a civic coupe w/ ls turbo motor run 11.9x. But give me about 2 months and I will be right with his ass, w/ about 1/3 less money put into my car. To top it off my car looks a hell of alot nicer than a civic ever will...........I left QUAD4s out because of the same reason I didnt mention an LS-VTEC
They arent reliable, trust me. You ever replaced the water pump on any of the quad4-family engines? You basicly have to pull the damn head... and the W40 (Quad 4 HO - 180HP) was the least reliable one there was... truthfully, I love those engines... b/c its the only non variable valve timing engine that revs high and makes good hp.
And no, hondas with stock internals arent the greatest with turbos... b/c most of their power comes from how high their compression ratios are. If you do it right, all 4cly FWD cars are about equal. Fully modded out, a FWD DSM is going to be just about as quick as a fully modded out honda, or jbody, or celica, or on and on.
You can make 500hp with any engine, thats not a problem... however, making that 500hp grip and go(slicks aren't enough for 500hp out of a FWD usally) is another matter entirly.
[edit] Oh and yea, I think the poster is going to win... he has an AWD car so =P [edit]
They arent reliable, trust me. You ever replaced the water pump on any of the quad4-family engines? You basicly have to pull the damn head... and the W40 (Quad 4 HO - 180HP) was the least reliable one there was... truthfully, I love those engines... b/c its the only non variable valve timing engine that revs high and makes good hp.
And no, hondas with stock internals arent the greatest with turbos... b/c most of their power comes from how high their compression ratios are. If you do it right, all 4cly FWD cars are about equal. Fully modded out, a FWD DSM is going to be just about as quick as a fully modded out honda, or jbody, or celica, or on and on.
You can make 500hp with any engine, thats not a problem... however, making that 500hp grip and go(slicks aren't enough for 500hp out of a FWD usally) is another matter entirly.
[edit] Oh and yea, I think the poster is going to win... he has an AWD car so =P [edit]
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