I was wondering if anyone is running with this and what everyone has or feels about it. Is it a better turbo then a small 16G? I know it cost more but from what I know it's a kit that bolts onto a 2G, is this true? Thanks for the info!
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Especially on a FWD car. Smaller turbos spool up faster giving you more wheel spin. The large the turbo usually means that it will take a little longer to spool, so you will have some momentum when the boost hits, and hopefully the tires wont spin like crazy.
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This turbo is on a 95gst. I am going to get my tranny rebuilt with lsd because 20g on a fwd is pretty brutal in 1st and 2nd when boost kicks in. Even with the tires spinning I am doing 0 to 60 fast and when downshifting on the go, the 20g and fwd is a great combination. I have the HRC super 20g.
[Edited by turbotuner on 04-12-2001 at 03:16 PM]
[Edited by turbotuner on 04-12-2001 at 03:16 PM]
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Hell Yeah, there is not need for break in miles on a turbo.
Boost on
Boost on
break-in
bill at hrc told me to run the turbo about 400 mi before i run a lot of boost to make sure the bearings have no play and everything is ok, i personally think u should give all parts a sort of break-in to ensure nothing is wrong, this is thier recommendation , they've sold a lot of these turbos so i listen to what they say. bill was extremly helpful about all the tech questions i had about this turbo, it has awesome top end, it is the super 20g not the n series(drag only- no spool-use nos to spool). every part was presise! best turbo money i've ever spent! all u have 2 do is cut the fan or use a spal fan. Thanks for the help Bill HRC ALL THE WAY!!!!SUPER 20G!!!!!!!!!!!
bill at hrc told me to run the turbo about 400 mi before i run a lot of boost to make sure the bearings have no play and everything is ok, i personally think u should give all parts a sort of break-in to ensure nothing is wrong, this is thier recommendation , they've sold a lot of these turbos so i listen to what they say. bill was extremly helpful about all the tech questions i had about this turbo, it has awesome top end, it is the super 20g not the n series(drag only- no spool-use nos to spool). every part was presise! best turbo money i've ever spent! all u have 2 do is cut the fan or use a spal fan. Thanks for the help Bill HRC ALL THE WAY!!!!SUPER 20G!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have an XS Engineering 16G killer on my 99 GSX. Pretty disappointed with it. I ran a best of 14.0 on the stock T25 and stock clutch. Ran 13.7 on a 14B and stock clutch, and now with the 16G killer and ACT2600, best run to date is 14.2. It spools really fast and pulls hard, but craps out on the top end. Fit and finish isnt very good either. I had to get the flange cut off of my down pipe and rewelded because the angle of their o2 housing is off a bit.
As for the HRC S20G.. They had a lot of problems with these turbos when they were first coming out. They required a spacer for the exhaust manifold which in turn required the installation of new studs. The studs had a tendency to break. I have heard that they have fixed this problem, since then.
The only time I dealt with HRC was very discouraging. It took close to 6 weeks to get what I ordered, I was double charged for it, and never ended up getting all of my money refunded for the over charging. (I got most of it, gave up on the last 10$ or so)
However, they do make some pretty incredible products tho. Great design on their upper IC pipe and they (used to?) make great eliminator downpipes.
As for the HRC S20G.. They had a lot of problems with these turbos when they were first coming out. They required a spacer for the exhaust manifold which in turn required the installation of new studs. The studs had a tendency to break. I have heard that they have fixed this problem, since then.
The only time I dealt with HRC was very discouraging. It took close to 6 weeks to get what I ordered, I was double charged for it, and never ended up getting all of my money refunded for the over charging. (I got most of it, gave up on the last 10$ or so)
However, they do make some pretty incredible products tho. Great design on their upper IC pipe and they (used to?) make great eliminator downpipes.
My buddies do a lot of dealing with HRC and all agree that the guy has brains. Everyone respects his knowledge, but the majority of people I drive with don't respect his prices 
He's kind of crafty... good in this profession, I guess. For instance, read the description of the Super 16G (which is $1200 might I add... nearly twice the price of a big 16G, albeit you get a tubular 02 housing). "Smooth power delivery of this turbo makes it great for FWD cars"
You wanna know why? Cuz that 10cm housing slows spool! The reason FWD cars don't get traction on regular 16G's is because they spool like lightening and the tires can't handle it! For us AWD guys, that's exactly what we're looking for. I'm sure that 10cm housing flows much better at top end, but someone buying a 16G usually isn't looking for top-end or they'd just buy a 20G/frank/mutt/green/gpumper (this is getting out of hand). The appeal of a standard 16G is that if offers more power with similar driveability issues.
And on top of this I live about 30 minutes from HRC. Nice facility - but I have to pay IL state tax, so add 7% on to their allready high prices
He's kind of crafty... good in this profession, I guess. For instance, read the description of the Super 16G (which is $1200 might I add... nearly twice the price of a big 16G, albeit you get a tubular 02 housing). "Smooth power delivery of this turbo makes it great for FWD cars"
You wanna know why? Cuz that 10cm housing slows spool! The reason FWD cars don't get traction on regular 16G's is because they spool like lightening and the tires can't handle it! For us AWD guys, that's exactly what we're looking for. I'm sure that 10cm housing flows much better at top end, but someone buying a 16G usually isn't looking for top-end or they'd just buy a 20G/frank/mutt/green/gpumper (this is getting out of hand). The appeal of a standard 16G is that if offers more power with similar driveability issues.
And on top of this I live about 30 minutes from HRC. Nice facility - but I have to pay IL state tax, so add 7% on to their allready high prices
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You're making it too easy, Boost'd!Boostd4 said:
A reader of your post might think the message is that a Super 16G just a 16G with a tubular 02 housing. I suspect that you may not be aware of what one would need to add to a regular or big 16G turbo to be as complete as a Super kit:
Very complete installation kit
Stainless oil line upgrade / fittings
Stainless / silicone oil drain line upgrade
Turbine housing porting
Turbine wheel clipping
O2 housing porting or Eliminator housing
Flapper valve mods (to prevent boost creep)
Plus, no need for an external wastegate should it be converted to 20G later.
After one adds it all up, we start to look pretty good.
I do like the crafty and brains comments, though!
We may not be able to compete on price with some of the more, ahem, aggressive internet sources, but overall, we do not do too badly. Most customers that experience the design and effort we put into these products seem to agree.
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do you guys really feel confident with a 20g using an internal regulator?Im wanting to go from my current big 16g to a 20g and all the guys I talk to say anything other than an external gate is unreasonable,especially if you wanna run over 20 psi?...
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The HRC 20G uses a big ass internal gate.. they dont seem to have any problems with it.
Otherwise, Id run a 35mm external atleast.
Otherwise, Id run a 35mm external atleast.
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Super 20g ordered
Thanks for all the info,
I just ordered the Super 20G. We'll see how this badboy
goes in and performs.
Alex G
93 GSX
http://turbog1.homestead.com/MODS.html
Thanks for all the info,
I just ordered the Super 20G. We'll see how this badboy
goes in and performs.
Alex G
93 GSX
http://turbog1.homestead.com/MODS.html
hrc all the way!!!!!!!!!
i love this turbo, if your not the car isnt tuned, mine isnt fully tuned and i get great spool! you cant sit on the fence, if u want top end you have to give up a little spool, this is a manly turbo so thats how it acts! every piece in tis kit is extremely precise! anyone who purchases this turbo will NOT be dissapointed with it. i guaranty ,if u buy a REGULAR big 16 g u will not be satisfied with it and will upgrade after a while , i had one and i did!
i love this turbo, if your not the car isnt tuned, mine isnt fully tuned and i get great spool! you cant sit on the fence, if u want top end you have to give up a little spool, this is a manly turbo so thats how it acts! every piece in tis kit is extremely precise! anyone who purchases this turbo will NOT be dissapointed with it. i guaranty ,if u buy a REGULAR big 16 g u will not be satisfied with it and will upgrade after a while , i had one and i did!
hehehehhehe...you said manly....heheh
the damn exhaust housing makes it look like it came off a big truck........honk honk...
Only turbo I've ever seen where the compressor housing and exhaust housing are teh same size...lol....jk
Joe did you ge your sponsorship yet?
the damn exhaust housing makes it look like it came off a big truck........honk honk...
Only turbo I've ever seen where the compressor housing and exhaust housing are teh same size...lol....jk
Joe did you ge your sponsorship yet?
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Re: go with the 19c frank jr
I bought the wrong turbo!!! Ported small 16g here. Maybe I can compensate with some head work.
HOLY CRAPbig reg said:
I bought the wrong turbo!!! Ported small 16g here. Maybe I can compensate with some head work.
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There's no "real" break in period for a turbo. The turbo wheel is spinning so QUICKLY, that if anything was going to go wrong it would happen immediately.
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