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Big Joe

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Which is better, a supercharger or a turbo?


A super would pretty much get rid of that nasty turbo lag, but it runs off the engine, so it's be less efficient?

Which is better?

TIA

big j
 
well what kind of dsm are u getting man, a n/a or a forced, cause if u get a forced already has a turbo so i say use that. but if u have a n/a i still say get a turbo but then again that is jsut me. yeah

payce
 
depends on the application, with a supercharger the faster the belt spins the more pressure it creates
 
anyone on here have an S\C dsm?
 
its not that i asked if there was a kit...i was asking if anyone has tried it....im they would respond well
 
a turbocharger with an intercooler is more efficient than a super charger which results in more power and fuel economy at the expense of dealing with lag. lag isn't really that bad of an issue on a well designed system unless you have a really large turbo. you can make plenty of power on a street driven car without large amounts of lag
 
and i agree that lag isnt a huge deal.....im just wondering if anyone has attempted to S\C a dsm....i know there is kits for like integras and what not....i think it would be tight to have all lets say 300hp from like 1000rpm and up.....wouldnt it? and when u start to mod a car u cant be concerned about gas mileage....granted these are 4 cylinders but there high performance 4 cylinders.....gas mileage should be the last thing we worry about....IMHO
 
you're not gonna see 300hp from 1k up....the supercharger will create maximum boost at redline (which may or may not result in maximum HP) a turbo will create maximum boost at lets say 3k (big turbos) which would you rather have...

300hp @ 3k rpms or
200hp @ 7k rpms
 
well knowing that it changes my opinion....i have road in some S\C cars....lightning.....gtp....and they hauled ass...granted there bigger than 4 cylinders....8 and 6....but i mean it seems like if u could be making even half as much boost for 6000rpms vs full boost got 3k.....i mean u would just have to run more boost off the S/C for it to be worth while....
 
S/Cs are prefered with cars that have bigger engines because it takes alot more air from mutilple bigger turbos to get good boost quick enough to be useful so they are normally supercharged to provide instant boost all the time, even if it does tax the engine it is a good source of power. A turbo is a better power source for a dsm because one its smaller engine that can effectively spool a turbo to creat sufficient boost quickly,, that and you will normally be able to get more boost from turbocharging. Plus i don't think carburated engines can be turbocharged or easily at that so supercharging is their only option..
 
S/C's are old school on v8's. More and more companies are coming out to offer turbo kits. Its simply what trade offs do you want?

SC's have instant boost (great for towing), but because of this, they are harder on the transmission.

Turbo's have some lag (hence no power between shifts, easy on the trans). Turbo's are not supposed to be used in towing (trucks are a different story).

So if you're planning on pulling a bike or jet ski, a SC would be better for you. As a side note, there was a SC'd 3g eclipse at the Shoot Out, he was only running 14's, but thats what his car could do.
 
turbos are supers are actually vastly different than merly one being driven by the engine and the other being driven by engine gases. Most superchargers don't actually compress......instead they move air quickly through the engine (this is know as a "Blower" or an "Eaton" supercharger). Centraltrenfugual (spelling?) superchargers, like Paxton or Vortech kits that goto S2000's or other popular imports, actually compress and aren't just air movers. Many people get confused that a blower and a supercharger are the same thing- they aren't.
Also, a supercharger isn't always the best for towing. Come to think of it, I have never seen a factory supercharged diesel, only factory turbocharged diesels (partly due to the ridicously high compression ratios and the fact they have 3,000 RPM redlines, however).
And superchargers aren't reserved for "old school" V-8's and engines with pushrods only. Doesn't the Mini Cooper S come with a 1.6L, 16V SOHC supercharged in-line 4 cylinder engine?Audi and Mercedes have been making twin-turbocharged V-8's for a long time, too, even though they may have DOHC cylinder heads.
For a DSM or any other small engined import, it is a real toss up. I believe a turbo is better, however, because the fastest land-speed piston powered factory car was a twin-turbocharged Sledgehammer Corvette. However, the all-out fastest land speed piston powered car was driven by twin blown Chevy V-8's.
Besides, horsepower means nothing to accleation, because it is torque that actually gets the car going, and horsepower is top-end speed. Ask any NHRA or IHRA drag racer.
Just my 2 cents, but I would stick with a turbo.

Dave
 
At overboost.com there was a skyline gt-r v-spec that had a twin turbo supercharger kit on it. It had the twin turbos run into a collector and then came to a T with the pipe from the S/C and intercooler. HOW IN THE HELL COULD YOU RUN THIS SETUP!!!

I don't see how it would work unless there was a valve seperating the TT from the S/C but all I remember seeing was a T. I don't see how Boost from the TT wouldn't backwash in the S/C or vice versa. BTW There was a BIG ASSED INTERCOOLER on there too. If this was even possible and they didn't blow everything to shit, how'd they do it?... I have had dreams of a turbo superchared Bored and Built 4g64... yes I know they will remain dreams too. But hell someday when I'm wealthy maybe I will try it and destroy several Turbos superchargers and blocks trying to create it.
 
Dudeman said:
At overboost.com there was a skyline gt-r v-spec that had a twin turbo supercharger kit on it. It had the twin turbos run into a collector and then came to a T with the pipe from the S/C and intercooler. HOW IN THE HELL COULD YOU RUN THIS SETUP!!!

I don't see how it would work unless there was a valve seperating the TT from the S/C but all I remember seeing was a T. I don't see how Boost from the TT wouldn't backwash in the S/C or vice versa. BTW There was a BIG ASSED INTERCOOLER on there too. If this was even possible and they didn't blow everything to shit, how'd they do it?... I have had dreams of a turbo superchared Bored and Built 4g64... yes I know they will remain dreams too. But hell someday when I'm wealthy maybe I will try it and destroy several Turbos superchargers and blocks trying to create it.


Everyone's thought of that idea before at one point at one time... but it just really isn't feesible or cost effective by any means... Plus what point would it serve?... to add a little tiny bit more Extra low end power and torque?... DSMs already pull in the low end, a little bit more isn't going to matter much anyway, since our cars powerband starts as soon as the turbo spools up at 3-4k depending on the turbo, you can launch in powerband and never leave it in a race... The S/C wouldn;t do anything once the turbo spolled up because the turbo would over power it, and if it didn't then there would be no point... not to mention the mechanics are mind-numbing to come up with a system that could effectively run both and activate then shut off and mix properly before blowing off....gaaaaaa.... I really don't see any benifit towards it, a good turbo setup is all you really need... Heck its driving dsms into the 9s... How much faster do you really wanna go?

I dunno about you...but i have enough trouble with stuff breakin on my car as it is...:p ... I think a S/C // T/C setup would be the end of my sanity
 
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