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SleepR DSM said:
My point is that as great as the car feels in the top end, its INSANE how hard and fast it pulls in first and second gear. I just took a friend of mine for a drive, starting out sedately. We got on the highway and when the car was warmed up I dropped the throttle and did a third gear to redline pull, then fourth... then got out of it. He was hollering with pure excitement from the moment the pedal dropped. Then we got off the interstate and came to a light. I didn't do an AWD launch, I just went full throttle through 1rst and 2nd, letting the external dump roar. Afterwards, his quiet response was, "Oh my God, that was unbelievable." First and second gear are ridiculous!!!! If you are in the lag zone on third gear, just drop to 2nd and you have power that will rip your head off.

It simply amazes me how hard and fast this large turbo hits.
I just wanted to add here that this is true; I have the larger flavor of this turbo. The FP30-series of BB turbos was designed from the ground up to preserve low end torque as well as make more power up top. It will max out 650cc injectors with ease, has instant transient boost response and considering how "large" they are, still have excellent, usable boost response down low. Simply stated, big and bad. Mine is daily driven. I still get fantastic gas mileage just cruising in chill mode and when launched from 4500-5000 rpm or quickly downshifted from a roll and given the pedal there isn't ANY fuckin lag.
The FP30 series of BB turbos are not to be taken lightly or dismissed as unstreetable at all.
They are the shit up top, capable of posting 9 second ET's with the proper set-up (No nitrous!) and yet still push big power on the street everyday at lower boost levels that are reached even earlier in the RPM band.

I wonder if a T-25 would fit thru the FP30's inlet? ;)
 
I run a t3/t4 hybrid that comes in full boost at 4000 and I wouldnt want it any other way. It gives my FWD more of a chance of not lighting up the tires. Even in 3rd gear at 35-40mph when it hits 18psi the new winter tires light up so its nice not to burn them from the start. I wouldnt want anything smaller. It dynoed 326 to the wheels at 18psi and is safe up to 25psi although never dynoed at it. I havent met another car that will keep up at freeway speeds when I hit full boost.GO BIG
 
having a FWD I want a turbo with a bit more lag so I don't have as much traction problems from the start. 20G or a Garret 50 trim is what I am shooting for. :)
 
SleepR DSM said:
If an FP red (or simililar large turbo) can hit full Spool by 4500, Why is it unstreetable? What is the disadvantage of it? 4500 for full boost is not too late IMO.
I guess it depends on your idea of streetable. It may hit full boost at 4500 rpm, but on average, are you hitting 4500 rpm when you drive normally? Another thing is that the FP Red is largely a waste unless you are going to filler up with c13 all the time to run on the street unless you like to hit the tracks on the weekends.
 
The only time a really hear about turbo lag is from people who turbo thier honda with a t3/t04 running 5 pounds of boost with a huge front mount. The gains are not substatial for the lag and with a properly sized turbo, they would probably love it. On top of not getting even the slightest bit close to maxing out the turbo, or even putting it in a range that is efficient, most turbo honda guys i've talked to run b16a's, or d series motors so they only have 1.6 liters of displacement. In that case just superchage the thing if you only plan to run 5-7 lbs. As for streetability, that is all up to the driver. I would never really want to go bigger than an t28 or 16g purely because i don't street race, don't drag race and don't even drive fast. I would just want something that spools quick and gives me some more power. I don't need 400 horsepower on pumpgas. I don't need a low 12 or high 11 second car. I would be content with 13's.
 
jrivard00 said:


I guess it depends on your idea of streetable. It may hit full boost at 4500 rpm, but on average, are you hitting 4500 rpm when you drive normally? Another thing is that the FP Red is largely a waste unless you are going to filler up with c13 all the time to run on the street unless you like to hit the tracks on the weekends.
What are you talking about?:dunno: Why is it a waste? Why would you need to fill it up with c13 all the time?:confused: You can almost always run higher boost on a "bigger" turbo on pump gas. Van is running 24psi on owl piss 91 with his FP-3065! Unless you drive like grandma and never go above 4k rpm..Is that what you would call "streetable"?
 
jrivard00 said:


I guess it depends on your idea of streetable. It may hit full boost at 4500 rpm, but on average, are you hitting 4500 rpm when you drive normally? Another thing is that the FP Red is largely a waste unless you are going to filler up with c13 all the time to run on the street unless you like to hit the tracks on the weekends.
You do not need to run race fuel for the red. You don't even need a built block. To use it to it's fullest potential, or any large turbo for that matter, race fuel might be needed. On a well tuned car it will hit full boost quicker than 4500 RPMs.
 
This is endlessly debatable. Only you can decide what you can live with. Me, I hate waiting around for power, that's why I didn't buy a Vtec. That having been said, I'm going for a big, bad turbo and I don't care if it doesn't spool unitl 4k. Big deal if my car drives like the previous guy's description.
 
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:D You know what amuses me? There is no wait. All you have to do is downshift. The instant you throw that turbo into a 4,000 to 5,000 rpm range, you are pulling hard enough to test the traction limits of your all wheel drive car, or simply break loose from any traction with a FWD. Then on top of that, (as has been said) you can add a 50 shot of nitrous. It seems like the only people who complain about how awful lag is with a big turbo, are people who have small ones. ;) :D
 
SleepR DSM said:
:D You know what amuses me? There is no wait. All you have to do is downshift.
Oh, no, you'd be asking too much... Just stepping on the gas pedal and waiting for the 16G to spool from 2.5K to 3.5K RPM is much more convenient than downshifting and having instant boost with the Red. It's just way too much work... :dunno:
 
i have a 50 trim t3/t4.i love the top end power and running down the guys with smaller turbos that think they are going to win because there turbo makes full boost under 4000 rpm.i also had a EVO III 16g.it was fun to drive around until guys with biger turbos came around!!!:D
 
If you can still drive it on the street. The car runs on pump fuel and idles fine when you are in stop and go traffic it 's streetable.

The only piont that matters is when the turbo kick in, your kicking ass!!!!!:D
 
colonelfox said:

You do not need to run race fuel for the red. You don't even need a built block. To use it to it's fullest potential, or any large turbo for that matter, race fuel might be needed. On a well tuned car it will hit full boost quicker than 4500 RPMs.
I was speaking in the matter of using the Red to it's fullest potential.
 
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