Lemme 1st say that i'm the proud owner of a 96 Eclipse GST and I wouldn't trade it for the world. Both GST and GSX have there pros and cons, Well a stock GSX runs low 14's with a good driver, I hear they are more likely to break, kinda makes sense, more stress on the engine pushing another axle, also you have to worry about beaking axles and trannys. I don't know what a stock GST would run in the 1/4, GST's take more money to make it run fast times. GST's will beat GSX's from a roll. All in all it's up to you and what you want from your car.

 

I am looking for something to be a quick car, thats why my choice is obvious. Im not looking for something to take to the 1/4 track and try to get the best times out of. I mnow the AWD system adds a few hunder pounds to the weight of a GSX.
If I were driving along at say 30 mph, threw it into second, and gunned it, which car woulds be better?

 

FWD would be better in that case, but you actually want to keep it stock? After a while traction becomes an issue with mods in FWD, trust me All wheel drive is a beautiful thing. I believe the times are pretty close to each other for stock cars, and a stock GSX hitting low 14s??

 

the GST would win from a roll....the GSX has to run all 4 wheels therefor it looses more power through the drive train about 25%....the GST however looses only about 15% since it's a front engine and its FWD. So from a roll since traction isn't much of a problemn the GST would win because of more power. But from a stop, don't even try with a GSX. The AWD traction would own a FWD by atleast 1.5 cars from a stop. So take your pic....i get more races from a roll so i went with a GST.

Andy

 

So if Im not going to be moding (much, no more than 225-230 hp) and trying to set any 0-XXX speed records, the GS-T would be a better consideration?

 

Sounds like it is that way. Go test drive an AWD and see if you like launching it. The FWD is always going to feel faster from a roll, under the same mod list anyway, and for daily driving, I think it makes a nice car. Another consideration is weather, not something I worry about in So Cal, but some like the AWD for rain, snow, and other such nonsense.

 

List your goals and what you want to do with you car as well as your budget. You may want only 230 hp now, but as you start modding you'll start looking for more power Trust me, I as well as several other members on this board wanted so and so power and after we achieved it, we were hungry for more.

Andy

 

Thanks guys

Heres the reason why I ask. I am going to be a Jr in college and do not have much money to spend. I have enough to buy one of the two (although the GSX's go for more than KBB value) even though the GSX's are harder to come by and are a good grand more. So if I buy a GS-T or GSX, I will not have much to put into the car untill after I graduate, and by then I will have a 99 GSX (or 98 TSi AWD) or have something new, like a WRX or RSX Type R (if they ever get here.) or whatever. I will keep the turbo DSM as my daily driver. Thats my plan as of now anyway so basiccally not to many mods are going to be going into the GS-T/GSX.

Also, I went to a racing school @ Mid-Ohio a few weeks ago. The cars we drove were Acura RSX Type S's. Very fun little car, would you compare a stock GS-T to the new RSX-S as far as launching capibilities?

 

I dunno, a GST is going to put down more torque, and torque EASILY increases with boost, etc.

 

I own a '98 GSX vLightly Modded (intake/bov/boostgauge) and I love my car. Daily driving in a awd is ok but i have the feeling that a GST might be a bit better of a daily driver. The choice is up to you... if you plan on comming to stops like at lights before racing then a GSX but if you are planning on pulling up to someone and gunning it (not that the GSX cant) but the GST might be your kind of car. I love awd cars for the fact that launches in GSX's are amazing.. you dont have to worry about traction at all either which is a major plus to me. Yes the GSX is probably 3-4k more than a GST if memory serves me correctly. I would love a GST but i wouldnt trade my GSX for it. the choice is really preferance... i do about a 14.2-14.4 consistent with light light mods so yea 14 sec stock for a GSX in a 1/4 mile =D good luck with whatever you get

 

Get a GSX start small mods now, use as a daily driver. Start modding, little things, gagues, MBC, SAFC, pocketlogger, the BPU....eventually after you graduate, drop a 6 bolt in with forged internals, big turbo, race tranny, and start hauling ass Than get a WRX or RSX for a daily driver. Sooby performance and OEM parts i heard are even more expensive than DSM parts to replace as well as modify. And the RSX? I honestly think it's an ugly car and to go fast with that will cost you in the end around $35K as for a 95 GSX you can get going even faster for $18k-$20K total. The body of the RSX is too much of a bubble like for a sports car, doesn't look as sleek as a DSM And if you're really strap for cash, buy a civic for $3k for a daily driver....Anyway that's my advice to you, nothing will be able to touch you with that AWD start unless it's a WRX

Andy

 

Lemme 1st say that i'm the proud owner of a 96 Eclipse GST and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

But would you trade it for a GSX?

 

I was the owner of a 95gst for over 2 years, I now have a 95 talon awd. I liked my gst alot and it was lightly modded but could move pretty well. I miss being able to spin the tires in 2nd going downhill and spinning the inside wheel around a turn at 50mph.
It was bought from me by an insurance company bscause of a drunk driver.

My awd I have now(34K) was a total dog stock, very slow. I did notice that the suspension is like a cadilac compared to the rough gst(both stock setups)? I kinda like it though, maybe i'm getting old?

One thing about the gst vs. awd, I am afraid to put alot of power into the awd because I think I am going to break something while the fwd would just spin it off which can also be bad.

 

I'd get the GSX personally. To me it's a hands down win with the Gsx. Traction is a major major issue, and when you are talking about street racing, there are stoplights, and there will be someone that wants to race you at one. It is just a fact of life. Now if you assume that everyone out there will already be moving and wanting to race you from a roll then a GST would be fine. But personally the GSX will not break on you as far as drivetrain, if you are staying at that power level.

I do want to say something though. You are a liar. You may not know it yet, but you are. Go ahead and get the car, and do your few upgrades. Watch as soon your "few upgrades" become not enough, and more is put on. It is a never ending cycle, and a few upgrades are never enough.

 

You are a liar.

So are you, NO upgrades are ever enough

 

But personally the GSX will not break on you as far as drivetrain, if you are staying at that power level.

Anything can be broken if you abuse it.


About gsx's and gst's launches from a light. It really don't bother me because I try not to race people. I was getting tired of sitting at a light and have riceboys look at my pillar gauges and start beeping at me. From the races I have done, I have noticed people are too dangerous to race because alot of people don't know when to give up. You pass someone during a race and back off a little later and they want to keep playing, I just want to go home. I have also had bad road rage incidents like the one time I checked to see if this person liked their door, they did but tapped my rear after I passed them(was not driving my dsm at the time).

"Just for me", I want a fast car and am not worried about impressing the local ricepeople and pretending i'm in the fatf.

This might have been off the subject a little...






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I do want to say something though. You are a liar. You may not know it yet, but you are. Go ahead and get the car, and do your few upgrades. Watch as soon your "few upgrades" become not enough, and more is put on. It is a never ending cycle, and a few upgrades are never enough.

heheheh...i told you so, I was one of those guys who were like...."I only want about 270 hp on the t25, with BPU"....HAHHAHA yeah right that was me about 5 months ago, look at me now, I'm getting a 6 bolt motor rebuilt with a bunch of goodies going in, planning on a race tranny, and the FP green
In all honesty...Speed is the most addicting thing man. Thats why you never want to buy a honda, hehe.

 

I do want to say something though. You are a liar. You may not know it yet, but you are. Go ahead and get the car, and do your few upgrades. Watch as soon your "few upgrades" become not enough, and more is put on. It is a never ending cycle, and a few upgrades are never enough.

Read my responce #4. If and when I buy a car, I am NOT going to have any money left to put into it. It wont even be an option for me. Simple as that.

 

Fer me, a FWD DSM just overall seems more streetable if you're not dealing with snow or other adverse conditions.

You can probably worry a bit less about oversteering yourself into trouble or accidentally causing snap-oversteer (aka Scandinavian flick/pendulum turn) during low rear traction situations.

Plus, there's the added bonus of less weight and better fuel econ. A GST should be enough for just normal passing-on-the-highway kinda stuff. No need to dig to find a GSX m/t if it's not there for the taking.

 

For the people describing the advantage of a GST over a GSX from a roll, you make it seem like the Feather of a GST has a shot of nitrous as it rockets by a 1 Ton GSX. It isnt THAT much faster from a roll. A GST will slowly creep by from a roll and as the speeds increase the GST will pull even slower over the GSX. Now I have seen several videos of stock GSX's vs GST's on the track. The GSX has a big jump of about 1-2 cars at the beginning and the GST then slowly catches up to like a 1/2 car behind. So over a quarter miles the GST would only gained about 1 car in theory if it were to start from a roll. Not a very big lead. Oh and the GSX ran a 14.91 and the GST did 15.12.

my 2 cents!

 

For the people describing the advantage of a GST over a GSX from a roll, you make it seem like the Feather of a GST has a shot of nitrous as it rockets by a 1 Ton GSX. It isnt THAT much faster from a roll. A GST will slowly creep by from a roll and as the speeds increase the GST will pull even slower over the GSX. Now I have seen several videos of stock GSX's vs GST's on the track. The GSX has a big jump of about 1-2 cars at the beginning and the GST then slowly catches up to like a 1/2 car behind. So over a quarter miles the GST would only gained about 1 car in theory if it were to start from a roll. Not a very big lead. Oh and the GSX ran a 14.91 and the GST did 15.12.

Beautiful.

 

Do I sense sarcasm or are you saying beautiful because that was the description you were looking for?

 

actually nevermind that Milkman I actually thought you were the thread starter.

 

Not A Chance

But would you trade it for a GSX?

Well i'm pretty modded and No GSX is gonna pull on me from a roll w/o some other Forced Induction device like "NOS"(I'm just saying that because all the AWD's I've raced haven't) Yea I admit I wish I had that AWD jump but GST's will eat almost any other car from a roll with a couple mods.

 

What are your mods?