I am pretty sure there is a group buy on here, you won't have acess to that untill you are a member for 90 says and have a minimum of 50 posts. I will however see if i can find that deal for you somewhere.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/95-9...QitemZ230216202705QQihZ013QQcategoryZ33742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Are you looking for something like this?

IS this for a 1g or 2g?

 

For a 1g this one is great.

 

I got mine on here from MaNGiNa24 (user name) however I would highly discourage the kit. The pipes did not line up and I ran into a ton of issues with it. You get what you pay for IMO.

 

So your problems were with the piping, it could be an installer error also, EVERYONE i know that has that kit loves it, a little fab work should be expected for anything. Don't give me the "you get what you pay for" crap either, these intercoolers are just as good in quality to many WAY MORE EXPENSIVE setups, hell i have seen many for under 200 that are way better than my buscher.

 

The pipes did not line up and I ran into a ton of issues with it. You get what you pay for IMO.

If it doesn't line up right then the installer is trying to put it on backwards. Simply flip it over and I'm sure it will fit correctly.

 

the kit works fine on my car? Maybe you have it upsidedown/backwards/ you have it on a 1g?

Kit worked fine for me.

 

Is that link you provided for 1g's? What kind of fab did you go through?

 

This topic has been beatin to death, people are pushing over 500hp with this intercooler and there's threads out there that show everything you need to do to install it...

I don't know where you guys are finding these I/C's for 2g's for 300, maybe you can run into one on ebay or from a private seller but on ssac sight i believe its up to 600 for 2g..

 

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Yeah, don't go through the SSAC site............. You'll get raped. If you look around, there's still a few people getting these and re-selling them at drastically lower prices.

 

its not the kit itself that sucks, its the intercooler that are "crap." i havent had a buscher kit but if you put a ebay intercooler next to a good intercooler like a precision or greddy 2 or 3 row , youll see why the ebay intercoolers are not that great. the fin design and densities are far superior on the "good" intercoolers. but depending on what you want out of your car, those ebay kits and intercoolers are more than sufficient most of us, including myself. and theyre sure as hell better than our sidemounts.

 

I'd get the intercooler core and then get a do it yourself pipe kit off ebay, but that's just me

 

its not the kit itself that sucks, its the intercooler that are "crap." i havent had a buscher kit but if you put a ebay intercooler next to a good intercooler like a precision or greddy 2 or 3 row , youll see why the ebay intercoolers are not that great. the fin design and densities are far superior on the "good" intercoolers. but depending on what you want out of your car, those ebay kits and intercoolers are more than sufficient most of us, including myself. and theyre sure as hell better than our sidemounts.

UM NO, please stay out of a conversation if you don't know what you are talking about, thanks, bye bye now.

 

If it doesn't line up right then the installer is trying to put it on backwards. Simply flip it over and I'm sure it will fit correctly.

Oh is that all I have to do? Wow, thanks for the amazing insight. I never would have thought about that without your help.

Anyway, when installing these pipes I tried every possible permutation and none of them lined up just right. I expected there to be some fab but not so much that I would have to cut about 5 inches off a pipe. I'm just guessing that I was given a 1g kit when I should have got a 2g kit.

No matter. It's on and I'm very happy with it.

 

Oh is that all I have to do? Wow, thanks for the amazing insight. I never would have thought about that without your help.

Anyway, when installing these pipes I tried every possible permutation and none of them lined up just right. I expected there to be some fab but not so much that I would have to cut about 5 inches off a pipe. I'm just guessing that I was given a 1g kit when I should have got a 2g kit.

No matter. It's on and I'm very happy with it.

Show us a pic of your's and we'll tell you what you got. I've never heard of anyone having too much problems with it. Also are you talking about the lower or upper ic piping? With or without a SMIM? What turbo setup? If a 16g what J pipe; short route or regular? There are too many variables to even begin to try to blame the product.

Either way OP just get one. You'll be glad you did.

 

its not the kit itself that sucks, its the intercooler that are "crap."

You do realize the amount of times this "crap" product has been proven, Right ?

Yes some have had some issues here and there, and compared to kits that cost twice as much or even more, they may not all be cosmetically better,etc. And so the $$$ that is saved, may indeed show some minor cosmetic flaws, etc.

These have flooded the market, with more positives then negatives for sure.

And remember here..................... We are specifically referring to the SSAC kit. Not just all cheaper E-bay style kits.

I can't speak for any other kits, But I know for a fact that my core will hold rock steady pressure of 50 lbs for the 2 1/2 hours that I tested mine at.

Unless you have tested these "crap" units for flow rates, pressure drops, temperature variables between inlet and outlet passing, burst strengths, etc. on multiple units with proof................

Then there is no backing of your poor, un-informative post of certain "crap" products.

As with anything available out there on the market for consumers to get there hands on, There will be failure rates mixed in with all of whatever product you want to insert here to use for comparison sake. As usage levels rise, failure rates will also rise.

What makes a product good so to speak, or proven, is that the "positives" will always out way the failed "negative" units by substantial margins, as in the case of the SSAC kits.


Read, research, read, research, and when your done, do it some more.........

 

"crap" = so called crap. i wasnt specificly saying that they are crap myself cause theyve had a bad wrap. maybe i came across wrong. but truth of the matter is put one against a precision intercooler (garret intercooler cores) youll see the difference. my precision is much more efficient than my ebay core, period. have you run both yet? cause i have. maybe intake temps arent as important on dsms but on rotarys its crucial for making reliable power. in MY case, my precision dropped intake temps of about 10 degrees average over my ebay core on my rx7 running a haltech standalone ecu. not to say its the same for everyone else. actually i never said anything bad about flow rates, pressure drops, temperature variables between inlet and outlet passing, burst strengths, etc. cause as far as flow rates are concerned the ebay core probably flowed about as well as my precision and pressure drops were very minimal. my ebay core has held up great. the craftsmanship looks great. works great on my talon. i have NO complaints about my ebay core. theyre just not as efficient as i would like for my rotary. rotarys just produce too much heat for me to chance it.

 

What do you mean rotaries produce too much heat? The combustion temps are relatively the same, the temp of the charged air is the same out of the turbo as a piston motor, you are spatting some incorrect information here man. You got an egt gauge on that rotary?

 

I wasn't attacking you, But your wording was not very clear on your thought.

If you want to talk rotary............ say the word. I have built, blue-printed my own porting charts for my engines and others. I am EXTREMELY good friends on a personal basis with one of the largest, renowned rotary builders/tuners in the US.

As for running hot, your referring to everything on the hot side of the engine..........exhaust wise. I'm sure you know this correct ?

If were on the subject of intake charge temps and the control of those temps , I'm not really sure what you mean or your point of the heat issues. A compressed air charge from a turbo in no way changes drastically just because its on a rotary engine and not a piston engine.

My previous project before I bought my GSX from the dealer was a daily driven, 500 whp, "87" Turbo II................. And I mean DAILY DRIVEN, 7 days a week.....................snow, sleet, rain, or shine with 10-11 grand shifts all day long. The only hands that were involved with that project was my own. I'm VERY familar with all aspects of building, tuning, and maintaining Wankel's creation.

This is becoming way off the original posters thread, But my point is that your spreading what seems to me , BAD information here on multiple subjects.

It just gets irritating to see these posts/responses that other less informed people come across while searching for subjects such as these.

 

What do you mean rotaries produce too much heat? The combustion temps are relatively the same, the temp of the charged air is the same out of the turbo as a piston motor, you are spatting some incorrect information here man. You got an egt gauge on that rotary?

Exhaust temps do run high on these. Rotarys can be beasts. If its running too rich, unburned fuel will actually light off still as its passing through the down pipe. Tuning lean increases these temps even higher. Its possible to read EGT temps 12"-16" from the exhaust ports in the downpipe and still see 1700-1750 degrees farenheit. EGT probes don't last long at all. Especially if its a street car.

Most mufflers on RX-7's use steel wool packing as the exhaust temps run so high, fiberglass packing and some other materials will actually burn out in a matter of miles depending on the tune.

 

"crap" = so called crap. i wasnt specificly saying that they are crap myself cause theyve had a bad wrap. maybe i came across wrong. but truth of the matter is put one against a precision intercooler (garret intercooler cores) youll see the difference. my precision is much more efficient than my ebay core, period. have you run both yet? cause i have. maybe intake temps arent as important on dsms but on rotarys its crucial for making reliable power. in MY case, my precision dropped intake temps of about 10 degrees average over my ebay core on my rx7 running a haltech standalone ecu. not to say its the same for everyone else. actually i never said anything bad about flow rates, pressure drops, temperature variables between inlet and outlet passing, burst strengths, etc. cause as far as flow rates are concerned the ebay core probably flowed about as well as my precision and pressure drops were very minimal. my ebay core has held up great. the craftsmanship looks great. works great on my talon. i have NO complaints about my ebay core. theyre just not as efficient as i would like for my rotary. rotarys just produce too much heat for me to chance it.

Are you talking about Ebay intercoolers in general, or the SSAC kit? It seems like you are talking about Ebay FMIC's. If you are then we pretty much agree with you. Sure some people have had success with a regular Ebay FMIC but they are definitely notorious for their poor quality. SSAC being an exception. Do you actually have experience with specifically the SSAC FMIC?

 

Exhaust temps do run high on these. Rotarys can be beasts. If its running too rich, unburned fuel will actually light off still as its passing through the down pipe. Tuning lean increases these temps even higher. Its possible to read EGT temps 12"-16" from the exhaust ports in the downpipe and still see 1700-1750 degrees farenheit. EGT probes don't last long at all. Especially if its a street car.

Most mufflers on RX-7's use steel wool packing as the exhaust temps run so high, fiberglass packing and some other materials will actually burn out in a matter of miles depending on the tune.

I've never seen egt's over 1,650 out of a rotory myself, and noever had any problem with glasspacked mufflers EVER.

 

im just REALLY anal about my rotary. there are so many different variables that can kill a rotary engine that everything i have on it is pretty much overkill. overheat once or detonate once and its probably toast. overkill on my cooling system, oil cooling system, intercooler setup, and i only have it tuned to 346rwhp. my exhaust egts average about 1200-1300degrees. intake temps are about the same between cars. sorry guys ive been really tired and havent worded my thoughts well so i will be shutting my mouth from here on.

 

ive had the ssac (on my old turbo integra though), the ebay fmic(i didnt get the super cheap one though), precision, and a greddy 2 row (couldnt get myself to spend the money on a 3 row).

theyre all really nice pieces. as far as craftsmanship, i cant say any one of them is better than the other.

i guess what ive been trying to say is, in my experience they are not as efficient as my precision or greddy, but are still really nice units especially for the money.

 

For a 1g this one is great.

What changes are needed to make this kit work on a 1G? Main thing I'm concerned about is the position of the inlet and outlet on the FMIC, the rest isn't too difficult.