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5.0 Mustanf Vs. 2.0 N/t

3.2K views 32 replies 17 participants last post by  RNN14GTI-R  
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Well going home a 5.0 Slight Mods was revving so I was like Okay I Have some Mods done I'll go for it, I rev to 5500 RPM and Dump the cluch the wheels are peeling out ALL through 1st and Midway through 2nd he had me in third but when I shifted into 4th I caught up RIGHT before we hit the Quarter mile mark (Which is a Poll that says "Trixter")
 
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#2 ·
NT? Nah, doubt this one.
 
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#3 ·
I sometimes wonder...

whatever became of that mythical object known as the period.

What "mods" have you done to your Normally Aspirated DSM to boost output 50%?
 
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#5 ·
guys, this isn't entirely impossible... If the other guy didn't know how to drive for $hit I can believe this. I raced a '98 Mustang GT convertible (my friend's girlfriend's car) which her dad modded and supposedly puts out 300hp. She beats me off the line but I beat her top-end (until I top out at 120). Of course, she doesn't know how to power shift so every time she shifts I gain a car on her... I'm sure if she knew how to shift she'd kill me all the time.
Btw, the only mod I have right now is an AEM cold air intake w/K&N filter(AFX underdrive pulley and rollhard front strut tower bar on the way!). I highly doubt that gave me 100hp so driving ability really can make the difference in a race, even if the cars are entirely mis-matched.
 
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Finally there are people here who consider RACING SKILLS rather then Horsepower!! I had a Ractive Cold Air Intake with a K&N Air Filter to fit it, Magenacore Wires, running Royal Purple Motor oil (Which by the way DOES Increase Horsepower)...But what I hadagainst that 5.0 was he was Stocj Auto Trans and I was 5-spd Manual and I was powershifting so I was gaining Hard on him But I would of NEVER passed him I only Met up with him RIght Before the 1/4 mile mark.
 
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I don't wanna start a non-turbo/turbo flame war, but this crap is just pissing me off too much. A real race is when both cars are maxed out in every gear. Each car has to be pushing all that it can. I highly doubt, along with others in this forum, that a lightly modded N/A 2gen can take a GT Mustang in the 1/4, even if it is auto. I'm even non-turbo myself and I really like my car a lot, but bullshit is bullshit. Falcon, I wouldn't put a certain type of oil under a "list of mods". Even if this magic motor oil did give you horsepower, it would be negligable. Come on people, lets be realistic here. I'm still waiting to see "Non-turbo 2G takes out 550 Maranello". No, I'm not bashing non-turbo 1 or 2G's, I'm bashing the owners that think that they have race cars. Come on folks.
 
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#8 ·
OK... Friggin plug wires and oil are NOT mods :rolleyes:

It's funny that about 7hp's worth of "mods" he can overcome almost 100hp... Gimme a break :rolleyes: The only Ford I could beat with my bosse's 91 NT 5 speed was a damn ZX2, and it was too close for comfort at that. Let alone my A/T...
 
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This isn't entirely unbelievable...

Yeah, I beat my friends 89 stock mustang 5.0 before. He was just a really crappy driver, or he thought squealing his tires was cool. He would lay back and let the tires smoke as I outran him. But man, I can tell you, now that I taught him to launch a rwd car, he is really fast. Almost makes me wish I had bought the turbo charged 84 mustang GT I saw when I was about to buy the Eclipse. It was nice! It had a 4 cylinder in it (!!!!) but still, the horsepower was comparable to a regular 5 liter of the same era cause it was turbo. It had, easily, 2 feet of empty space under the hood. Kinda funny. It looked like crap though, and the Mitsubishi was nice, so I got the Eclipse instead.
 
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Re: Once again...

davejcb said:
I'm rollin LOLOLOLOLOL

This thread is kick ass!!!!


OK get this. Many years ago....ok about 8-10 when I was in about 8th grade, freshman year me and my friend would take out our parents cars when they weren't home and late at night he would oil up the garage door wheels, roll the car down the street, start it and come and pick me up....we'd drive down to the city(Chicago) and just practice driving stick(this is no shit by the way....we were about 14-15 yrs old). Well one night we were cruisin around the neighborhood and we pull up to this punk that was a senior at our school...we were frosh...and I wink at him cause he's on the phone with the top down...I was being a little punk(yeah, it was like Beverly Hills 90210 at our school....it was sick) and he starts to follow us. His parents had bought him a black '92 Mustang 5.0 LX convertible auto and his plate said gtyup50(like giddy up 5.0). He wouldn't stop following us and started getting more aggresive...we were scared so from a stop and making a right my buddy is like, screw this and he takes off....the dude, in the stang was way, way back there and we ended up losing him in a subdivision. The car we were driving was an '89 or '90 Ford Probe non turbo GL 5 speed. So this may be possible depending on skills although I don't know how many liters of displacement the N/T Eclipses have that were talking about here. This probe was pretty quick...one of my other friends had a Grand Prix V6 and we would smoke him real bad. Don't know just thought I would mention it for the non believers but this kill story does sound a little fishy.

[Edited by GSXXXguy on 09-08-2001 at 08:10 PM]
 
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#13 ·
All's I know is that I sold my NT for reasons like these:

1. Couldn't lose my buddy's Tempo until 140km/h
2. Couldn't beat my buddy's Neon 5 speed
3. Got absolutely HUMILIATED by a TSI AWD
4. Even worse by a Turbo MR-2
5. Got killed by my buddy's F-150

Etc etc etc...
 
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#14 ·
Dunno about this one dudes...

I have driven stock old school 5.0's (box style) 5 speed, and they have some balls to them, they would give a Turbo DSM a run (stock of course)

I dunno, maybe the stang driver was a terrible driver and shifted from 1st to 3rd.. :)
 
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#15 ·
Or maybe he thought he had a 4 cylinder and got rid of those 4 useless plug wires :D
 
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#16 ·
Hehe, i feel bad, were being real mean to this guy who posted the subject, he probabaly wants to run us all over :)
 
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#17 ·
Ok maybe we're being mean but a damn intake isn't gonna make a NT beat a 5.0... Come on!!! I don't know who came up with the idea that a 5.0 is slow, but if a 5.0 is slow then I don't wanna know what my NT was ;)
 
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#18 ·
Those Ford Probes' and Mazda MX6's were magical cars for their time...seriously cause now that I think about it this girl that I dated a couple years ago had a NT 5 speed 1G Eclipse and it blew...literally....the motor blew up cause it had about 100+K miles on it and her brother was beating it, she had a new engine...or used, can't remember, and it still was slow as s**t. So I don't know...from what I remember about driving her car it was real real slow. The Probe(non turbo) my friends mom had and the MX6 GT turbo that I had years later....those cars are always underestimated and are quicker than their engine would lead you to believe. I think it comes down to gearing, powerband, driver skills and being in the right place at the right time.
 
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#19 ·
Yeah but driver skill can only amount for so much... There's almost 100hp of difference between a 5.0 and a NT...

Hell I got killed by my friend's cousin's '97 A/T V6 (in my A/T), and I am not retarded (at least I like to think not :D ) and CAN drive half-decently.
 
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Yeah, you'd have to be beating on the car pretty bad to get it to keep pace with a 5.0. I personally think the 5.0's are slow. I don't know I don't want to call anyone a liar and scare them away from posting on the board but maybe the Mustang guy missed a gear or was in the wrong gear?????
 
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#21 ·
Has to be. The two cars just aren't in the same league.
 
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#22 ·
The thing thats hard for me to believe is beating a stang in the top end with an NT. The girl with 98 conv. must have chickened out early because even if she can't shift, she could just put in in 5th by 100mph and still smoke an NT due to its low end torque. With the 5liter motor they have so much torque you can short shift and still beat most cars under 190hp. I know, with my 83 stang conv I could smoke most civcs and NT dsms by granny shifting at 3500rpm. Im not bashing just telling my experiences.
 
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#23 ·
Say what ya want all I kow is I was "CATCHING UP WITH HIM" I never had him off the line all I know is I was Catching up but I could never have passed him!!!!

For your information JAPTRIX is running the Fastest RX-7 and even proved the Royal Purple INcreases Horsepower,

But Once again I could have never passed him!!!! I simply said that I caught up with him and stayed with him till the red light BOTH of us STILL at WOT, I'm pretty sure he went from 1st to 3rd I don't know I wasn't in hid fucking Car,

The odd thing is you all DISS N/T DSMs I'm sorry but you kow a LITTLE engineering without the Fucking Turbo you can make it go faster, Where I work s a Guy with some EXTREME Auto Cad systems and can design ANYTHING he wants "we were talking about designing a Cam and some Pistons for the N/T's and figuring out some weight redustion for it, his goal is to take HIS N/T and make it Run 13's And IF you ask me thats pretty Damn Fast for a N/T and some guy here in Florida DID do it.

You can Brag all ya want I blew up my Turo Engine so I have to drive the N/T Still that thing Whoops ass I can hold my own in that car, wheter it is a Cavilar, Saturn, or 5.0 Still I have racing Flowing through my Blood and I would Race a Yugo If had to
 
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#24 ·
Just to clarify.....

falcondsm1 said:

For your information JAPTRIX is running the Fastest RX-7 and even proved the Royal Purple INcreases Horsepower,

But Once again I could have never passed him!!!! I simply said that I caught up with him and stayed with him till the red light BOTH of us STILL at WOT, I'm pretty sure he went from 1st to 3rd I don't know I wasn't in hid fucking Car,

The odd thing is you all DISS N/T DSMs I'm sorry but you kow a LITTLE engineering without the Fucking Turbo you can make it go faster, Where I work s a Guy with some EXTREME Auto Cad systems and can design ANYTHING he wants "we were talking about designing a Cam and some Pistons for the N/T's and figuring out some weight redustion for it, his goal is to take HIS N/T and make it Run 13's And IF you ask me thats pretty Damn Fast for a N/T and some guy here in Florida DID do it.
Motor oil DOES NOT make horsepower. It has no ability to do work. Just as your intake does not make power. It only allows your engine to work more efficiently and with less parasitic loss (oil). As far as the fastest RX7 showing increased power when using this "Royal Purple" motor oil, well what is he making 600 hp..im sure at this level of performance the viscosity of the oil could be a limiting factor in total output. On a NA DSM or even a turbo for that matter, I doubt it would allow even 2 more hp to be produced... :) Just my Guess..

Oh yes a 13's second NT DSM...can you say N2O.
 
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#25 ·
falcondsm1 said:
The odd thing is you all DISS N/T DSMs I'm sorry but you kow a LITTLE engineering without the Fucking Turbo you can make it go faster, Where I work s a Guy with some EXTREME Auto Cad systems and can design ANYTHING he wants "we were talking about designing a Cam and some Pistons for the N/T's and figuring out some weight redustion for it, his goal is to take HIS N/T and make it Run 13's And IF you ask me thats pretty Damn Fast for a N/T and some guy here in Florida DID do it.
Yeah but YOU don't have ANY of that, so therefore that does not apply to you or this whole topic. Dude no one is bashing NTs, we just know what is and isn't possible when racing. 5.0s run with TURBO DSMs, so your story seems a bit out there. Sure most of us werent there so we don't know the issues of the race, ie driver skill & what not. We're just staying facts that with two compatent drivers, an NT WILL NOT be able to take down a 5.0; maybe you were racing a 6 cylinder that had fake 5.0 badges?
 
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