I Have a friend who has a 95 talon tsi eprom ecu Thats just laying around that im sure he would sell to me. Would this work on my 1g if i was to get dsmlink?

Swapping a 2g ECU into a 1g is possible, it is very difficult to do and probably not worth it at this point but it has been done. Before DSMLink was available for 1g's many people did this so that they could utilize the program in their 1g DSM's. I have also seen an EVO VIII on another forum that is using a 2g ECU so that they can use DSMLink.

I just sold 2 extra Eprom ECU's several months ago for $200 each because I needed some cash fast, look on the various DSM trader sites I usually see some every couple weeks for about the same price.

 

Do you know the differneces in the wiring? HAve you seen a scematic of both? You pretty much have to redo the COMPLETE wiring harness, don't even try and get it in someone's head that they car do it, because it is VERY unlogical to even consider putting a 2g ecu in a 1g.

 

Do you know the differneces in the wiring? HAve you seen a scematic of both?

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Here you go... just to give you an idea of the headache a 2g ECU in a 1g would cause... plus, theres no NEED to do it when there is a 1g DSMLink available now.

Link:
http://206.124.12.138/dsmlink1g/

 

Do you know the differneces in the wiring? HAve you seen a scematic of both? You pretty much have to redo the COMPLETE wiring harness, don't even try and get it in someone's head that they car do it, because it is VERY unlogical to even consider putting a 2g ecu in a 1g.

Yes I do know the differences in the wiring and I have both the schematics as I have both a 1g & 2g, and have worked on them for going on eight years now. I never once stated that it was the logical thing to do, I simply stated that it has been done, and is possible.

To hawaiifiveoh, you have a pm.

 

Holy balls^ that link looked f'n confusing.

 

I have seen/read that it has been done also before there was 1g DSM Link fot that very purpose of using DSM Link on a 1g. I believe I came accross that info on the Link forums searching for "Evo Link", so that I could rewire a patch harness for the day that I get an Evo VIII. I don't find it impossible either, who woulda thought that an 8 year older ECU from an Eclipse/Talon would work in an Evo :banana: ?

 

I don't see why anyone would want to use dsmlink on an evo, being that the evo already has a flashable ecu, and the program ecuflash can be used on it just like 97 plus 2g's with a flash port.

 

AH Ha!, found it, you'll need to be on the link forums to see it, but here is a member claiming to have used a 2g ECU in his 1g (in post#5):

http://www.dsmlink.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3243

Also, Hal Landry claims to have done this as well (in post#9) and adds his wise .02 as well.

Looking at Kevin Jewer's Evo RS and mods, he seemed to be running very fast for what was done, I'm sure he's a good driver and he definately know's his stuff and what works, but it just seems like the Evo's with link, responded better than those without it at the time anyway. COBB Access Port is out know for the Evo, so who know's if this will still be the case.

P.S.- I believe there's a thread on this site about using ECU flash on a 2g and last I saw it wasn't working yet, hopefully that will change .

 

Being an Illinois resident, I don't even have to remind you which forum you can always turn to when you need help tuning Link.

With the 30r, I would look for anything from 880's to 1000's.

 

You have already been told what you need to get, and roughly what it will cost. Another added bonus, I have not seen mentioned is the DSMLink forums. You need to be an owner to access them, and it is one of the best knowledge sorces on DSMs that I have found. Plus they dont tolerate bashing new people, so you wont have to deal with asking stupid ?s and getting screwed with, most will happen is you will be told to search.

Get the link, be done and be happy.

 

That's a big jump from the 680's I have on. I trust you, but yeah, I guess what I am asking is, it won't affect anything if it's too big correct? (Assuming I had gotten Link)

With Dsmlink and 1000cc injectors your idle, cruise, part throttle, and full throttle will be like stock.

 

That's a big jump from the 680's I have on. I trust you, but yeah, I guess what I am asking is, it won't affect anything if it's too big correct? (Assuming I had gotten Link)

You can go to around 1150's or 1200's with out problems. There are issues though if you go to the 1600's.

 

That's a big jump from the 680's I have on. I trust you, but yeah, I guess what I am asking is, it won't affect anything if it's too big correct? (Assuming I had gotten Link)

Correct, with Link you can't really go too big.

I've read of people having idle issues with 1600's, but I have no personal experience with this.

 

Ok, I have another question, I am looking for Laptops on ebay, and have a question on the requirements. I know the minimum is supposed to be Windows 98, but could it be something newer, such as XP? And can anyone reccomend a "big" seller on ebay? Thanks

 

Yes xp will work.

 

Correct, with Link you can't really go too big.

I've read of people having idle issues with 1600's, but I have no personal experience with this.

I have ran both Precision and Ford/Bosch 1600cc injectors with DSMlink.
For a street car there is some loss in drivability. for lack of a better way to describe things, the low end is lumpy and they don't respond quite right to small or part throttle changes.
For a race car, or one set-up for E85, I don't see any issues.

 

Pulling back my old thread...so I'm about to go through with this...have my eprom ecu, have the money for link and one other thing...either injectors or a wideband. I already have 680's, and I have an EGT gauge...I'm thinking I should go with the wideband first, but not sure...how much more vital is it, as in it can it wait a week when I have the money for it?? I want to buy the injectors (PTE 1000cc) from someone, and don't want them to get picked up, so I might just pick those up, and get everything put in the car (Or just wait until I get the wideband) and try to deal with it until I can get all my graduation money sorted out. And on the 3.5/5 Bar Map sensor...how much easier is everything with that... Also, on their website, it seems like they are on vacation or something for a while, until the 24th, I was gonna ask them if someone like me (newb) would have any use of the new features coming out. Thanks...

 

You can sell the egt gauge to have some more money for the wideband and injectors. A wideband is not needed. But, it make it easier to tune and will be safer. Without a wideband you will be guessing the air/fuel ratio by looking at the front o2 volts. A map sensor makes tuning much easier. What kind of turbo do you have?

 

Garrett 3071r (dbb)

 

The wideband is important. I would ditch the EGT, since gas temps are influenced by many variables like ignition timing.

The MAP sensor is not necessary for tuning, but it is helpful for viewing in the logs. You have everything you need already. As for injectors, I would just grab the 1150cc FIC injectors and just be done with it. 1150's are big enough for 99% of DSM setups out there, unless you are going to use E-85.

Also don't pay for hours of dyno tuning. Just tune it yourself on the street and post logs on the Link forums. You can just look up anything on my site for any additional questions.

 

The wideband is important. I would ditch the EGT, since gas temps are influenced by many variables like ignition timing.

The MAP sensor is not necessary for tuning, but it is helpful for viewing in the logs. You have everything you need already. As for injectors, I would just grab the 1150cc FIC injectors and just be done with it. 1150's are big enough for 99% of DSM setups out there, unless you are going to use E-85.

Also don't pay for hours of dyno tuning. Just tune it yourself on the street and post logs on the Link forums. You can just look up anything on my site for any additional questions.

Exactly what Jeff said....

I really like the Innovate LC-1. Wire it into the rear O2 circuit and log it under "TEWBLIN" in 'link. You can find them all over for $200 and they work great.

 

Eh, I'm pretty set on a Uego, I can get a new one off ebay for just over $200 shipped.

 

Get 1150's and be done with it. They will handle just about all the fuel needs you could ever want and drive like stock when used with link.

Not if he wants to run alcohol....

 

Eh, no big plans for me, I'm getting 1000cc's from vaboys2ndgen, and a Uego, and Link here within the next week or so. I'll have a few things up for sale then, and make a bit of money back hopefully.

 

And I never really cleared this up...just so I don't look like a complete idiot...when I said link would cost about $1000, I said the set-up, not just link. I meant Link ($545), Laptop(?), bigger injectors($325), an eprom ECU (225).

$545 + $325 + $225 = $1095, and that's without the laptop so far. I'm also getting a Uego, which I pretty much needed anyway, but still.