I don't think its possible to dyno an AWD

 

Yea man you sure can dyno an AWD. But the shops that have are few and far inbetween. Maybe they use a similar set-up as a 1 roller but when using 2 rollers the computer figures the data differently. Just a guess though. As for price maybe a little higher as the cost of one of those dynos has got to be astronomical.

 

I thought the price of an AWD dyno was ALOT higher then a 2 wheeler. Thats why they are so far between. Demand is low (theres only us, 3000GTs, and 911s) and supply is lower, which, along with other tech issues, make prices way higher. The only ones I even heard of are in MD and CA.

I read in sport compact car, a GSX with excatly the same mods pulled 181hp on a Gtech Pro

Do thoes things actually work good? That'd be a whole lot cheaper than driving to a AWD dyno.

 

There is an AWD dyno in MD., for you East Coasters (I think its Altered Atmosphere or something). I believe Extreme uses their dyno too, so if you give them a call I'm sure they could lead you in the right direction.
Take any G-Tech readings with a grain of salt. The accuracy of that unit depends on a few things (ie: a PERFECTLY level road, for one, good luck finding a flat/level road that last for a 1/4 mile). Normally, the ET's are off by a couple tenths, HP is off, but I have heard that the traps are good. I don't own one, so this is all "talk" I've heard from those who do. Seems everyone has something different to say about the G-Tech, some love it and some say its junk. I don't know, I think if I had $130 burning a whole in my pocket I'd probably go for it. Especially if I lived in an area where there weren't any track nearby.

 

Earlier someone said just bolting on a cheap 14b would be a pretty big improvement over the t25, how much do they cost usually, and i think someone said u need a 16g kit, how much is that. The 14b is what is used on the 1g's right?

 

The 14B is a great improvement over the T-25 and it is cheap too. They for about $150 on the trader and the install kit can be put together for an additional $150. Pretty good bang for the buck I would say.

 

Yeah, really good gain. I run one on my 2G, works great, you can't even begin to compare it to a t-25. Totally different, car actually makes some top-end power
Yup, you do need a 16g install kit.
You can make some pretty good power with it (with the right set-up).

 

Yeah I have one on my '97 GST and it's a night and day difference when it comes to top end power. The 14B doesn't spool and hit as fast as the smaller T-25, (physics=, smaller turbine= smaller time, bigger turbine= more spool up time) but it doesn't run out of breath as quickly either. The first time I ran the car with the 14B I noticed that I was still making power in the higher rpm range where in the T-25 the power would start to level off--> drop.. IMHO the 14B mod is a good deal, for about $350 (150 for turbo and 200 for tweeker kit from RRE) you can make some big HP gains that'll get your adrenaline pumping. I say if you're on a budget go for it and when you have money for the 16G the install kit is already on the car.

 

You can dyno your AWD on a 2 roller dyno *if* you have a welded center diff. Just drop your driveshaft and strap the front wheels down.

Many, many, many mods ago I put down 340HP/355ft-lbs on my small 16G. No clue what it is now...

 

Ross, how exactly did you get that much power out of a 16G.. Is that on race gas @ 440,000psi?

 

Yes, it was VP-RED (107 octane) fuel and 22psi. My mod list is rather long Tuning goes a long way in addition. Here's link to the chart:

http://rossl.home.texas.net/images/sm16gdyno.jpg

I pulled the 355ft-lbs on a different run. I think it's RRE that holds the highest 16G power record at something ridiculous like 380 @ the wheels. At least that's what I heard from somewhere. I am thinking that mine is about 360ish to the wheels now.

If you want to see what kind of power I have in each gear, here's a link to a dyno drag run that I made. Ignore the green pass...I shifted a little early into 3rd

http://rossl.home.texas.net/images/gears.jpg

 

If I can get 350hp to the ground on my Big16G I'll be pretty happy.

I have too much crap to list off. Isn't that funny? Before you get a lot of mods you can just list them all off in the posts like butter. Now if I try to list everything I always forget stuff. I guess that's a good sign

I could still use some cams, injectors, and UPPER IC PIPING (lol).

 

Yes, it was VP-RED (107 octane) fuel and 22psi. My mod list is rather long Tuning goes a long way in addition. Here's link to the chart:

http://rossl.home.texas.net/images/sm16gdyno.jpg

Wow, that looks like awesome torque curve from 3500 to 6500 - very impressive!

 

Thanks, I thought so too I did all the port work myself. Too bad the power falls off so much in the upper RPMs. The 16G is dropping boost. That actually started when I added cams to the ported head....but I still got 5mph more in traps, so I kept them...hehe. I suppose the engine is flowing more than the turbo can supply OR I've got some awesome back pressure through the turbine (doubt it).

A new turbo is on the way though so I'll be curious to see what the curve looks like with something a little larger installed.

 

A new turbo is on the way though so I'll be curious to see what the curve looks like with something a little larger installed.

finally, ross is getting a bigger turbo. good job man. now you can run some mid-low 11's. so what turbo did you decide on??

 

Thanks, I thought so too I did all the port work myself. Too bad the power falls off so much in the upper RPMs. The 16G is dropping boost. That actually started when I added cams to the ported head....but I still got 5mph more in traps, so I kept them...hehe. I suppose the engine is flowing more than the turbo can supply OR I've got some awesome back pressure through the turbine (doubt it).

A new turbo is on the way though so I'll be curious to see what the curve looks like with something a little larger installed.

What about being the fastest in the country with 16G????

 

Hehe. Yes, the 16G has served me faithfully for close to 3 years. This particular unit (big 16G) is about 9 months old with less than 5000 miles on it...it's for sale if anyone is interested. Email me privately.

Anyway, I am field testing a new turbocharger. It's not a Frank, it's not a Garrett, but it is a hybrid. I really don't want to say much until I get it in and see how well it works. I am expecting to be in the neighborhood of 11.3-.4 in the low 120s with it, all based on subjective data of course.

One person running the "small" version of this new turbo is running 28psi on pump gas. The first thing out of my mouth too was, "You're nuts!", but he's even *adding* timing. There's no knock or anything...the unit is super efficient. The car is slightly slower than a comparably modded DSM with a Frank 5...but don't forget we're talking about a turbo with a substantially lower CFM rating.

The new turbo is hitting 28psi by 4000 (what's lag?!) and the Frank 5 takes a day and a half. That makes a big difference in ET even if it makes less power. The particular car with the Frank 5 was running 119-120mph so I am thinking about 116-117mph out of the new turbo with similar ETs (mid/high 11s). It's also still internally gated and he's run it at 15psi with no creep!

As I said, it is the small version. I am getting one 100CFM larger and the guy with the Frank 5 sold it the day after he drove the car with this new turbo on it and ordered a big one (300CFM larger than the small one). Like I said, we're field testing various setups. The compressor housings are all the same, but we're playing with inducer/exducer sizing and various turbine housings, wheels, and clips.

The first test car (small turbo) had a tranny problem, but I think it's fixed and he is planning on racing it tomorrow for the first time on this setup. He's whole-heartedly expecting 11s. This coming from a best of 12.5 @ 111 on the previous 16G. Friends intimate with the performance of my car and his say that I wouldn't stand a chance against his car now...sounds like 11s material to me. They just will not shut up about it. My turbo was built today and I should hopefully have it by the end of next week. Until then (or he races tomorrow) this is all talk....they've got me all fired up about it They may be right, or not, but they've been running DSMs for years with all kinds of different turbos and if they say this one is the shit, I have to believe them.

There's talk of a dyno on Sat. as well so all eyes are on him right now. I can't tell you the flow rate yet because you won't believe it. I don't believe it if it's putting that much power out. THEY didn't believe it. After installing it and feeling the power of it, they called the manufacturer to check that they didn't accidentally send a larger unit! Let's just say if he steps up with 380+ to the wheels and 11s, I am gonna freak

All I know is everything I've heard about this is right up my alley: efficient, bolt-on install, it makes power, it spools fast, and it should be relatively cheap. If this thing does what they swear it does, it could mean the utter demise of Franks. Someone, not any of us, has already dubbed it the "Frank Killer" We don't particularly like that name though. IHI tried that with 16Gs and, well, it just didn't live up to its name. We certainly don't want anyone comparing these to that failure. Thus far, it's just been affectionately referred to as "The Mutt".

I'll definitely keep everyone posted on either how his car runs or how mine does depending who actually gets to the track/dyno first.

 

MoBoost-

Obviously, that plan is now out the window

 

Are there any tracks open? I haven't been on a track since November - stupid rains And Oklahoma Thunder Valley opens only in February
Fast16G> Where are you dyno-ing?

 

I didnt see this earlier in here,about dyno runs and I posted one some where else in here, but I'll put my .02 in here too. My first ever dyno run was at 190 @ wheels with basic mods ( filter,cat back,uicp,greddy bov,underdrive pulley,mbc,plugs, wires,elbow to throttle body, high flow cat), well $$$$$$$ later and 234.6 @ wheels (little low) with big16,safc,550 at 19psi and 890's on egt, and soon to be tuned to hopefully round 300 @ wheels.

 

MoBoost--

I dyno'd it at Writghtouch. Of course the last time was almost a year ago. I moved to Austin this past July and have yet to find a reasonably priced dyno facility. I AM looking though!

 

Ross,

If you don't mind driving to the DFW area you can dyno @ Alamo Autosports, Intercrew (Honduh guys tho), Rotary Performance, or Jotech Motorsports..

All of them will be under $75 for 3 pulls. Last time I went to Alamo and paid $55 for 3 runs.

 

alamo autosports? honda guys? no way dude! about 50% of all shop cars are 1G AWD's there's only 1 guy that works there (Lary) that drives a turbo accord. Alamo is DSM.

 

i did forget to say that hunduh nerds go there with their lowered STOCK civics and pay money to get an alamo sticker! i get'em free!! hehe. but yes nice dino. the owner of the shop has a 1g AWD with 475 at all 4 wheels!!