This turbo supports up to 380hp with all the supporting mods. Also with pump gas you can make more than 300 with this turbo so its more than enough for you. I have this turbo and let me tell you it rules. I pulled a 14.1@101 with only 17psi but thats because i was dealing with heatsoking issues and i am only pulling 11 degrees of timing. With all those problems i still managed that trap speed once i get tuned i will be trapping around 110 and 18psi. Also ShapeGSX managed a 12.1@118 i beleive with this turbo so it definatly has potential

 

It definately has the potential to meet your goals of 300 hp on pump gas. Over the years I have seen quite a few cars with basic 16G setups run mid to high 12s on race gas and solid low 13s on pump and run hp numbers in the low 300s.

 

My EVO 3 turbo ran 13.00 at 105mph on 15psi and 93 octane.

 

http://www.dsmtimes.org/awd.htm take a look at that, thats all the proof you need i would think.

Dustin

 

there were only two evo 16g's on that page, one ran a low thirteen, the other was in the 12's.

there were a lot of small 16g's in the 12's but it's already pretty well known that a 16g and race gas will land you in the 12's if you know what you're doing.

lancerman thanks a lot. that's exactly what i'm looking for. with a nice frontmount i bet you could run even more boost than that on pump gas. 12's should be no problem. what sort of 60' did you pull with that run? what kind of mods do you have right now?

 

there were only two evo 16g's on that page, one ran a low thirteen, the other was in the 12's.

it was my understanding that the evo 16g was a little better/bigger than the big 16g, if not same size at least, and on that page i see plenty of b16g and s16g in the 12's, i think the evo should be plenty enough.

Dustin

 

The thing about dsmtimes.org is that it doesn't say if the runs were on pump or racegas. Here's a thread that deals with pump vs. race gas on a 16g. www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82773
That thread was started before the EVO 16g came out, and the EVO 16g looks like it has a little more potential. That thread should also give you an idea of what times the average DSMer can do with typical supporting mods.

I pushed my AWD/ Big 16g/ full supporting mods to a 12.9 @107 with a crappy 1.9 60' time on 91 octane. That was also a poorly tuned run; way too much knock, way too lean.

 

yeah, actually i read that thread before i posted this. i need to talk to shape about his setup.


and the dsmtimes page doesn't help me that much because they don't specify whether or not race gas was used. race gas can make a big difference.

 

The evo 16g has showed potential to be a great turbo and to over step the small 16g which till now has been the most bought turbo for street cars. This turbo give you more hp and still gives you the same streetablity as a small or big 16g.

12's should be no problem with supporting mods on a any of the 16gs. I pushed mine to a 13.0@100 without a fmic on pump gas at 20psi (heatsoak much?) and 272whp on a decent tune. Now im looking for 12.7's on pump and lower with race gas. These turbos has great potential for what they are, as long as you do the supporting mods you will be fine with what you want.

 

With no other changes, and with boost issues still to sort out, my peak airflow with the Evo 16 is 3lb/min over that of the big16, at roughly the same boost pressure. That's probably about a 30 horse gain with JUST the turbo swapped! For reference, my airflow went from ~37lb/min to ~40lb/min @~20psi.

 

Josh Wingell (shapeGSX) has gone 12.2 @ 113 on hte Evo 16G in his 97GSX. So the potential to meet your goals are definately present with this turbo.

jefff

 

Josh Wingell (shapeGSX) has gone 12.2 @ 113 on hte Evo 16G in his 97GSX. So the potential to meet your goals are definately present with this turbo.

jefff

I didn't see this thread before. Yeah, I ran 12.2@113.5mph with the turbo, just 4 days after bolting it on. That was at 22psi. Airflow for that pass was around 40 to 41lb/min.

Then 2 months later, I ran a 12.5@118mph at 25 to 26psi. Airflow was 44.1lb/min. The extra power off the line surprised me since I thought I had only turned the boost up to 23psi. I ended up with a horrid 2.something 60-ft time.

This turbo has 11s written all over it.

 

hell i ran a 14.1@101 at 16psi with only 11 degrees of timing lol imagine tuned

 

I ran a 13.8@106 with it tuned bad and with a boost leak. Had it set to 20 but leaked down to 16-17psi by redline. That's with a 2.2 60' and letting off in 2nd a couple of times. It has much more in it.

 

My EVO 3 turbo ran 13.00 at 105mph on 15psi and 93 octane.

That is VERY impressive! What other mods do you have on the car?

105mph @ 15psi on 91 octane must almost be some kind of record for a 16g car!

 

Smooth, this should answer your questions to your satisfaction.

Turbo size (smallest to largest)
14b
small 16
big 16
evo 16

My best on the 14b with a 7cm housing (everything ported), was a 12.86 using 94 octance pump gas. My car dynoed 265hp, 270lb ft at the shootout (with the boost controller not working properly). On my 12.86 run, the car was probably making another 5-10 hp. That's on a stock 1g 6bolt. You can look at my webpage for more of the setup, but a lot of the car is still stock. The 12.86 was done on a very humid day in the upper 80's or low 90's. The most I've seen on a big 16g is 350 hp, which was on race gas. If your goal is a time, a wheel hp number, isn't as important. My power setup isn't too different from what Phil Beer's had (12.01 1/4), the main difference is his car was at least 500 lbs lighter.

The evo is by far more than capable of meeting your goals. I think the best advantage over the above listed turbo's, is the casting materials being better.

 

yeah, i know the evo is the most potent of the 16g's. i guess the whp isn't as important to me as solid 12 second quarters are. the only thing i'm worried about is the fact that my car seems to be somewhat of an underperformer. with 20 lbs. of boost on a 14b and some phantom knock i couldn't do better than a 14.1. that was with a shitty 1.9 60 ft time though. (new suspension and 2600 going on within the next month.) so really doubt that my car will be one of those freak cars that pulls sick times with minimal mods.


the thing i like about the 16g is how easy it will be to install, plus from what i hear the internal wastegates on these are great. as of now my oil leaking 14b is creeping up to 20lbs. when it gets cold out, and that's gotta be worse for the car than 14 lbs. on a 16g.

 

What kinda of setup must I have to run low boost on the evo? My fuel system will not like that turbo. I can't run under 15 psi with my t25. I think it's my rsr downpipe, even though it's only 2.5 inch

 

This turbo has 11s written all over it.

I sure hope so! Joe Gs car ran 12.07 on a small 16g. With 4 more lbs/min it shouldnt be too hard. Good luck with it.

 

Smooth, do a compression check on the engine. Also the 14b doesn't make any power up top. Make sure you're shifting by 6300. Try lowering the boost as well, to say 16-17 at most. You don't need a great 60', it's better to have a slow 60', and not bog, than it is to have a great 60' and bog. Read up on how people drive their cars in the 1/4 to make sure you're doing similar things. I remember reading one person stating that they waited until the rpm needle dropped down to 1000 rpm's, before they shifted (just because they didn't know any better). You'd probably be happier if you verified the 14 was the full potential of your current setup, and not your driving technique. Then when you change something, you'll really know how well it worked.

 

i did a compression check 2 months ago and every thing was good. i believe all 4 were in the 160-170 range. i feel quite sure it's not my driving. the first time i ever got to drive an evo was at the track, and i cut a quicker time than the other guy did the whole time he owned the damn thing. my car has never bogged at the track, i launch at around 5k-5.5k and the external is open from start to finish, meaning it's spooled from the second i leave the line. i think i may have ecu issues, but that's beyond the scope of this thread.


anyway, i think i'm going to pick the evo 16g as my weapon of choice.