It looks badass but it also looks like it is in the Frank 3 and up category as well. Not to mention I would imagine its pretty pricey. Considering the performance results and feedback from the FP28, I wouldnt doubt for a minute the FP30 is a shabby turbo. I am interested in seeing some numbers from it, thats for sure.

 

Robert told us about this turbo at the tech session at the FP shootout in Texas last year. It will be pretty cool, but if it costs anywhere near what the DSM-Performance BB turbos cost, I will never be a buyer. That is just TOO much DAMN money.

 

It looks real bad ass, here`s the link for those of you who haven`t seen it yet .
http://www.forcedperformance.net/dsm_turbo_fp30.htm

So where will this turbo stand, will it be between the green and the red performance wise?

 

So where will this turbo stand, will it be between the green and the red performance wise?

The don't know yet, and aren't going to guess. Why? Because they want to test the turbo BEFORE they talk lots of crap. That is the same reason you didn't hear them talking about "casting their own turbine housings" a year ago. They did it, then they talked about it.

Novel concept.

 

I looked at the pics. I looks like it will not bolt up to the mitsu o2 flange. That is were the v-bands are to be use I am guessing. Does it require a special DP or is there and adapter?

I tried to call Rob today and ask, but no answer I will try again later.

 

I looked at the pics. I looks like it will not bolt up to the mitsu o2 flange. That is were the v-bands are to be use I am guessing. Does it require a special DP or is there and adapter?

I tried to call Rob today and ask, but no answer I will try again later.

Right, it does not use a stock o2 housing. The external wastegate mount is built directly into the turbine housing. From looking at it, all you are going to need for a traditional o2 housing is an elbow with a bung on it. I can't imagine the cost for that will be much of an issue.

 

I got ahold of Robert. He said that it will require a custom DP or an adaptor to make it work.

I am ready to make the plunge into these ultra high priced turbos and have my name down at DSM Performance for there BB's then I saw this FP-30. But then to find out that he does not know when he is going to release it and it requires custom parts to install and on top of the high price ,it most likely will be, I will have to get an expensive external wastegate. That is too much for my pocket book.

 

Good luck with the Mutt! Let us know how it goes.

 

Thanks!!

Some one has to be the first.

 

IPT: Serious turbos cost money and most big turbos require an external wastegate to control boost there is no way around it. I personally think you are looking at turbos that are too big for the street anyway. A well tuned green should spool before 3800 rpms and make 400+ hp to the wheels on pump gas and it’s that a proven fact. That setup will also make significantly more than that on c-16 with more boost. That setup isn’t outrageously priced and it’s a proven performer if you go with a newly designed turbo you are on your own in trying to set it up. Personally instead of blazing my own trails I will follow in the foot steps of others its cheaper and at least you know what its capable of before you start. What exactly are you looking for? The fp 30 is awesome as it looks is till Im sure of that but its still not a street turbo, the red isn’t a street turbo. You are going to have problems making more than 400 hp to the wheels on pump gas and still have a livable powerband there is only so much you can do with 2 liters worth of motor. All I am saying is that you should sit down and really think about the whole picture before you spend all your money.

 

But then to find out that he does not know when he is going to release it

You know why right?

 

No I don’t think he does I am sure they have told him that it will make boost at 3k rpm and still make 500+ hp to the wheels on pump gas even though the turbo most likely hasn’t even been built/tested throughly. Its ok sometimes people need to find out on their own by making their own mistakes. Ask Jeff Elliot how well his mutt level 20 million did.

 

The fact of the matter is that Garrett tests these turbos. There really should not be any need for other testing. The combinations are all set. Even the TO4S compressor housing on the FP-30 is on the turbo before he gets it. The only thing he has done is make a nice Turbine housing. Everything else is set in stone. Both people have the turbos being tested and either was willing to give out any reasults so far. I asked... As far as the spool there was a very broad range given. That is the way with any turbo. A 16g on one car might spool sub 3000 rpms and on the next 3800 rpms.

The fact is that with the ball bearing center section the spool time will be cut so that these large os compressor wheels can be ran on the street.

 

For those wondering how large this turbo is you should go to the Garrett site and check out what a GT30 really consists of. Also go to some sites and check out the actual size of the TS04.

This thing is very large...

 

The fact of the matter is that Garrett tests these turbos. There really should not be any need for other testing.

Yes garret runs around and finds every car they can, with different combos of mods, and then slaps their turbos on them. Um right.
Yes they are tested stacticly, but they haven't been bolted up to a dsm yet. They want to make sure that the product works well on a car before selling it to consumers.

I had been planing on getting a GT30 garret and making a manifold to bolt it up since January. This will save me some money, I will be getting one as soon as they are released. I already sold my 20g today

 

The fact of the matter is that Garrett tests these turbos. There really should not be any need for other testing. The combinations are all set. Even the TO4S compressor housing on the FP-30 is on the turbo before he gets it. The only thing he has done is make a nice Turbine housing. Everything else is set in stone. Both people have the turbos being tested and either was willing to give out any reasults so far. I asked... As far as the spool there was a very broad range given. That is the way with any turbo. A 16g on one car might spool sub 3000 rpms and on the next 3800 rpms.

Garrett doesn't exactly bolt up all their turbos onto a 2.0 litre engine and test it now do they? So if I buy a garrett 2000 trim 177 wheel and bolt it up to my DSM it will work because garrett "tested" it? Your logic is wrong here.

Also about the special downpipe issue, since the FP30 housing already have a provision for an external gate, making a "o2 eliminator" is going to be alot easier than it is now. I'm interested to get an external wastegate for my big turbo, so the FP30 possibly save me a few bucks from having to make a complicated O2 eliminator.

If you're able to afford something ballbearing, I don't see why skim on an external wastegate, but that's a whole different topic.

 

Please tell me I misunderstand what the argument is here..

Is someone actually bashing Forced Performance for testing their new turbo before putting it up for sale?

 

IF a turbo requires some sort of custom piece of hardware. In this case a custom DP to fit then it is not a "Bolt-on" The port for the external wastegate is very nice. If you want an external. I do not like them. Personal opinion here.

 

In this case a custom DP to fit then it is not a "Bolt-on"

Whether or not sometihng is a "bolt-on" is dependant upon if modifications or fabrications are required for installation.

If they give you the downpipe, it is a bolt-on. Regardless of whether or not it is custom or not.

What is your reasoning behind not wanting an external wastegate? I am just curious.

 

Well the mutt's don't require any custom pieces to install. Just let us know how many trips you have to make to the local hardware store just to get it bolted up.. Then let us know why your car overheats because you had to beat the hell out of your water pipe. Also let us know why the mutt level 50 boost creeps all to hell from the internal gate. The FP 30 looks to be really well thought out. The cast the exhaust housing so that you wouldn't need a custom manifold (that will crack), so that it would clear the waterpipe, so that you won't need an expensive O2 elim housing, & so that install & removal will be easier than stock. The Vband setups are very nice & easy to work with. Would cost you $50 tops to make an adapter to the stock exhaust.. hell FP will prolly offer one also. Also from what I have been hearing.. DSM-P is not making many wise business decisions... and may soon be out of business (again)... so what are you going to do for customer support at that point? Just my $.02...

Rant mode: OFF

 

Also from what I have been hearing.. DSM-P is not making many wise business decisions... and may soon be out of business (again)... so what are you going to do for customer support at that point?

What? The DSM Shop make bad business decisions, I think I'm in shock. I don't believe a single word you're saying. I know, a new name for the shop will fix all those problems.

Back on topic: This turbo is completely bolt on. Whether or not they provide the lazy people with a custon adapter for the downpipe. Whether you like it or not for a big turbo an external gate is necessary. So with a turbo of this size you would've been making custom pipes anyways to get the external to fit. In fact in this case it's even easier because they provided you with a PERFECT place to mount your external, all you have to do is decide how you wanna route the outlet of the wastegate.

Simply because you are lazy you cannot claim that something is not necessary. When you're flowing a lot of air you need a large opening for the wastegate (along with a strong spring) to be able to properly control the boost. Now, if your turbo isn't flowing a lot of air (at least not as much as your supplier is telling you it will) then you won't need that large of an opening or that strong of a spring. In that case you MIGHT be able to get away with an internal gate.

Don't come bitching to us when you free up some restrictions in your setup and turn up the boost only to find the boost spiking to all hell and blowing your pretty little headgasket. Do a little research on your own about turbos and boost control and then come back here and tell us if an external is necessary for this large a turbo.

 

I guess a O2 eliminator isn't custom either, it only cost $200+ dollars, it must be bolt on.

 

When you're flowing a lot of air you need a large opening for the wastegate (along with a strong spring) to be able to properly control the boost.

Dual ports help too, not that I'd know, my car never runs

 

95GST are you on crack or am I?

The whole reason the O2 elim's cost so much is because they are really complicated w/ wastegate mounts, cracked out mitsu turbine flanges and stuff. All you need with this is a piece of pipe with a downpipe flange on one end of it, and bare pipe on the other.

In simpler terms it won't cost near $200 .

Funny how Aslan shut up so quick in the other thread about DSM-P vs. Forced when people started asking about his relationship to them in more detail?

And yes KenTSI, from what I understand DSM-P has quite a few unpaid bills from unhappy suppliers.

 

Lets keep it on topic guys! How about that new FP 30? Sweet..