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GST-GSX brake upgrade

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#1 ·
Here is what i got in my stock 16" swirl rims(installed fronts only):

non-abs(all me)
gsx calipers(mitsu graveyard)($125)
gsx powerslot rotors F/R(friend)($??)
metal masters pads($55)
stock brake lines
no more dust shields


I installed them about a month ago. this was my first brake job, so w/the help of some friends got them on. dust shields did want to clear w/o bending the hell out of em, so i chucked em.

after setting pads it was time to test'em.

what a difference, night/day. what sold me is the 120 or so back to 60 was done w/ease and very quickly. from 40-80 to a stop is amazing compared to the stock brakes, lil effort, car stops. the brakes grab and grab hard.

i've been very happy w/mm pads, no noise, no fade, resonable brake dust.

These brakes will cause the fronts to lock up, especially at lower speeds(no abs). i have shitty hrated kelly's up front which doesnt help. thats why i got the brake proportioning valve off a non abs gsx(not installed).


The brake proportioning valve distrubutes f/r brake bias. by getting the gsx BPV it will give you the correct f/r bias. so you wont be locking the fronts as often.(thx toast)

Gave test drives w/friends before/after and not a single one on them wasnt shocked at how hard it stopped.

This is a great/affordable upgrade for your tiny gst brakes. highly recomended. what else can i say, get'em.

When i get my car back(body shop 7-10) installing the rear rotors, mm pads and BPV.
 
#2 ·
Thats awesome that it worked out so well for you. Have you ever been in a car with the Baer or AEM kits, how does it compare?
 
#3 ·
GIXXER

TCE:
ive driven around in a 97gsx that has the tce 12.2 inch willwood kit w/lightweight 4 piston calipers. of course these are better and more $$$. But the tce kit is quite affodable for the performace. the pic of the brakes are on a red 97gsx, the one i drove around with and the guy i bought my car from.

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/brakeMIT.html

if your interested in the TCE brakes at all, email me personaly. twisted4banger@yahoo.com

BIKES:
10.12 stock?, i thought they ran mid 10's, f'n bastard. i'm a huge fan of bikes. what you got done to the gixer? 148 in the traps is sick.

got a coulpe buddies w/bikes(cbr600 f2 w/stage 1 jet kit/ex, r1 w/a few goodies, older gsx-r 750(stock), f4 cbr 600(stock))
the f2 ran a 11.8 at 115 or so, 1st time at the track.

BRAKES:
Since you have heavier car(conv) you will see a huge improvement w/brakes. the stockers a joke on any car. when i put the BPV, SS lines and mm pads in the rear i expect even better results. for a non race application gsx guys are happy w/stickier pads and stock cal/rotors and they weigh a good 300 lbs more than me.

It matters what you want out of your brakes, how fast you plan on driving and how much you want to spend. for under 400 bucks you will get a very nice brake setup. But for 900 you can get a sick ass set of brakes/calipers.

The gsx brakes are good on a gsx, which is a good 300lbs more than me. couple that w/some sticky pads and you can see how effective they become.
 
#4 ·
GIXXER

TCE:
ive driven around in a 97gsx that has the tce 12.2 inch willwood kit w/lightweight 4 piston calipers. of course these are better and more $$$. But the tce kit is quite affodable for the performace. the pic of the brakes are on a red 97gsx, the one i drove around with and the guy i bought my car from.

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/brakeMIT.html

if your interested in the TCE brakes at all, email me personaly. twisted4banger@yahoo.com

BIKES:
10.12 stock?, i thought they ran mid 10's, f'n bastard. i'm a huge fan of bikes. what you got done to the gixer? 148 in the traps is sick.

got a coulpe buddies w/bikes(cbr600 f2 w/stage 1 jet kit/ex, r1 w/a few goodies, older gsx-r 750(stock), f4 cbr 600(stock))
the f2 ran a 11.8 at 115 or so, 1st time at the track.

BRAKES:
Since you have heavier car(conv) you will see a huge improvement w/brakes. the stockers a joke on any car. when i put the BPV, SS lines and mm pads in the rear i expect even better results. for a non race application gsx guys are happy w/stickier pads and stock cal/rotors and they weigh a good 300 lbs more than me.

It matters what you want out of your brakes, how fast you plan on driving and how much you want to spend. for under 400 bucks you will get a very nice brake setup. But for 900 you can get a sick ass set of brakes/calipers.

The gsx brakes are good on a gsx, which is a good 300lbs more than me. couple that w/some sticky pads and you can see how effective they become on a lighter car.
 
#5 ·
Re: GIXXER

blunttwister said:
TCE:
ive driven around in a 97gsx that has the tce 12.2 inch willwood kit w/lightweight 4 piston calipers. of course these are better and more $$$. But the tce kit is quite affodable for the performace. the pic of the brakes are on a red 97gsx, the one i drove around with and the guy i bought my car from.


I'm big road race fan, on a big budget constraint :) hehe. I think for brakes though I'm best to save up and get the best possible thing within reason on price. My old roomate had an M3 with a brembo upgrade. My god after that I fell in LOVE with big brakes. It was INTENSE

That wilwood kit looks pretty cool! How do you think it compares to the baer and the AEM kits?? I'm definately VERY VERY interested. I just bought the car and that cleaned me out. I have to buy 17" wheels also so it will be at least the middle of next month for me to be buying brakes.

BIKES:
10.12 stock?, i thought they ran mid 10's, f'n bastard. i'm a huge fan of bikes. what you got done to the gixer? 148 in the traps is sick.
The time isn't really that fast. Motorcyclist ran a 10.2 on the same bike and dragbikes ran in the ten teens on the same machine. I took like 5 runs to tweak the suspension settings. When I started the day I ran a 10.8 and leveled in the mid tens until I tweaked the suspsension. It also helps that the testers usually weight at least 20lbs more than I do.

I have yosh exh, Jet hot coated headers, rear sprocket, Xring chain, PCIIIr, and a K&N.. a few other little things synth oil and Dunlop 208s. I guess all that stuff added up to 25hp or so based on the trap speeds. I haven't been able to get any good ET's even with the higher traps. The gearing is too low now I just wheelie the entire 1/4 mile. My ET is staying the same. i'm going to stick stock gears back on or maybe even gear it up and see if I can't make nines. It should be possible with those traps i think.

BRAKES:
Since you have heavier car(conv) you will see a huge improvement w/brakes. the stockers a joke on any car. when i put the BPV, SS lines and mm pads in the rear i expect even better results. for a non race application gsx guys are happy w/stickier pads and stock cal/rotors and they weigh a good 300 lbs more than me.
Yah the stock brakes are a joke for a car that is capable of the sort of speed that the DSM is. It's seriously unsafe. It sucks though because the brake upgrade is so much money since I have to get bigger wheels as well as an $800-$1800 kit. I sit at work all day dreaming of big brakes though :)

It's weird though I always thought the spyder would be so much heavier. I owned a hard top 98 GS-T a couple of years ago. Carpoint showed the car to be less than hundred pounds more than the GST I thought that was pretty crazy. I bought the spyder and it feels damn close to as fast as the hardtop was. Of all the convertables out there, it must be pretty close to having the least perf sacrafice from the ragtop. The only things that suck now are the drag and the lack of body stiffness. Drag I can't help, I'm hoping some strut braces will help the rigidity prob.

[Edited by gixxer_drew on 08-04-2001 at 07:46 PM]
 
#6 ·
oh wow!!

I just realized that the kit will fit aftermarket 16's sweet! I'm stoked!! yah def very interested. Perhaps I can get brakes this month!! I need some good tires though. Car came with some chrome (heavy) 16's and crappy H rated tires

Interested I definately AM
 
#7 ·
gixxer

do you have an email??
i may be able to get you a used set of the willwood 12.2 slotted rotors/pads/brackets/ss lines, which would be a LOT less than new.

get back to me asap, i can assure they are in top condition and may be able to send pics.

Back to bikes:
ive been trying to save money(joke) to get me a bike, not for street use because i dont trust other drivers at all(i've almost hit a few and i'm a better driver than most) and was looking to get something that i could use for track use only, not licenced/registered.
my buddy suggested something along the lines of a 400cc bike, f2 and a couple others? cant remember. looking to spend as little as possible(2k), but want a bike that would be a good track bike(brakes/handling/RELIABILITY). not worried to much about power yet, any bike will be fast to me, at least for now.

this would be my first bike, i've ridden his a few times and was instantly addicted.

M3 w/brembo upgrade, mmmmmm.
doing valet i got the chance to test a couple(all e36's), those are some sweet f'n cars and stock brakes are more than enough.
what was the brembo upgrade? calipers or just rotors and how much(dare i ask)?
 
#8 ·
Im out of town right now so I can reply to the other stuff on monday my email is andrewbrilliant@yahoo.com

I'm very interested in the brakes
 
#9 ·
Re: gixxer

blunttwister said:
Back to bikes:
ive been trying to save money(joke) to get me a bike, not for street use because i dont trust other drivers at all(i've almost hit a few and i'm a better driver than most) and was looking to get something that i could use for track use only, not licenced/registered.
my buddy suggested something along the lines of a 400cc bike, f2 and a couple others? cant remember. looking to spend as little as possible(2k), but want a bike that would be a good track bike(brakes/handling/RELIABILITY). not worried to much about power yet, any bike will be fast to me, at least for now.

this would be my first bike, i've ridden his a few times and was instantly addicted.
I think if you are going for track use only you should do well to get a 600 for your first bike. If you get a 400 you'll be itching for more power. And I've seen some riders on F2s smoking me like a pound of grass all day long. If you go for the smaller bike it's a good idea I think just because it forces you to do everything properly to go fast at all. Not to mention that eleven second machines are hardly slow :) hehe I can guarantee you one thing... you'll have a blast. Road racing bike is hands down my favorite thing to do. Well favorite thing with clothes on that is :)

M3 w/brembo upgrade, mmmmmm.
doing valet i got the chance to test a couple(all e36's), those are some sweet f'n cars and stock brakes are more than enough.
what was the brembo upgrade? calipers or just rotors and how much(dare i ask)?
He got these MASSIVE rotors. The things weighed a ton and upgraded to some pretty insane pads I can't remember the name. Once the rotors were seasoned it was just simply OUT of control. I remembered being rather impressed with the stock brakes as we were blasting down Mt Diablo (6000ft mountain) Using the brakes like CRAZY and never encountered any sort of fade. He ended up doing the upgrade once he found out what SF BMW wanted for the STOCK rotors. It was the same price as the Baer upgrade kit for DSM.
 
#10 ·
I have the 2g AWD brakes on my car. EBC Pads, OEM Rotors...stopping is IMO one of the best I have been in. The feel is very good..and I've only had it fade marginally from doing about 6 120-0 Stops. My friends always comment on my brakes as well...I can drive hard into a corner, and still slow up in time...and most importantly..in 100% control.
 
#11 ·
do you have any problem locking up the fronts?
did you use a gsx master cylinder or anything else i didnt?
do you have abs?

Gixxer- im going to see the brakes this weekend, so ill get back to you by Sunday, cool
 
#12 ·
Cool!! Most egsselent. Tell him I get paid on wed ;)
 
#14 ·
I agree with DSMu4ia I have the same brakes and they hardly locks up. I just stops the car gradually, with my old GST brakes, usually it will glide and have a feeling that it is slowing down.

I thought it's suppose to lock up easily but I checked my fluid and bleed it many times no air or anything. So I left it alone. But I forgot how the GST brakes are now, but I think AWD brakes should just be the stock standard for our cars. I could always use some even bigger brakes.

But, in emergencies it always lock up. I think it's because the brake booster can control the master cylinder depends on your hard you slam on it.
 
#15 ·
I just finished installing the Big Brakes... I got them of a mitsu diamonte. For me, the entire cost for everything was right around 200 bucks which included getting the rotors turned, pads, etc. Im still working them in, I dont think I bleed them enough... still a little mushy. But just driving slowly, the car had so much more athority when it stoped. I cant wait till its all broken in... These western pa hills were brutal on my small brakes.
 
#16 ·
DSMu4ia said:
I have the 2g AWD brakes on my car. EBC Pads, OEM Rotors...stopping is IMO one of the best I have been in. The feel is very good..and I've only had it fade marginally from doing about 6 120-0 Stops. My friends always comment on my brakes as well...I can drive hard into a corner, and still slow up in time...and most importantly..in 100% control.
Good, this is the exact same setup I'm going with. I got the calipers and rotors from Conicelli sitting here now. I'm still waiting for the EBC greens and SS lines to get here. I anticipate being able to lock my fronts with this setup. That is why new wheels/tires will be my next move. I good set of sticky tires should raise the point at which the fronts lock up considerably.
 
#17 ·
I got the wilwoods on the way.... I am a brake nut so you can count on me ripping the crap out of these brakes and then posting the review :)