What are you tuning with???:huh:

 

I'm not wanting to make my talon super crazy or anything like that but.....

I have a 98 Eagle Talon TSI AWD

I have been wanting to make it beautiful perfomance-wise before HP. So in the back seat of my car is

Walboro 190IPH fuel pump
550cc Fuel Injectors
AEM Fuel Rail
Vision Fuel Regulator

It already had a rfl blowoff valve installed with a stock 25g turbo. It also has the KNN... like everything else dsm in the world!

I'm now wanting to move on to grab an intercooler. I'm thinking I won't be breaking more then 300 ponies, maybe 330 max. Intercoolers are one thing that I'm new to. I have a mechanic to help with the instalation but I thought you all might know a good place to grab one or.... something?

Last, what would you want next after the fuel system? ( I'm not putting on braded fuel lines btw...really not needed)

Try SSAutochrome for 2g intercooler setups. BTW, it's not a 25g, it's a T25.
Pocketlogger, SAFC, or dsmlink.
Also, if that's in your backseat right now...where do you live again?

 

So in the back seat of my car is

Walboro 190IPH fuel pump
550cc Fuel Injectors
AEM Fuel Rail
Vision Fuel Regulator

I thought you installed those(aside from the fuel pump) in the engine?

1. But in regards to performance. You really didnt need to upgrade your fuel rail. Also look into rewiring your fuel pump.

2. My god I hope that bov is recirculated.

3. Your stock turbo is a t25. Not a 25g.

4. Buy the ssac fmic.

5. Buy somthing to tune with like an afc or dsmlink.

6. Use the search button.:chair:

 

Definitely need to do some more research man...

 

25g is HUGE!

 

haha, my fault, T25, these things are in my backseat for the pure reason rather then going to my mechs house once every few weeks to put one part on at a time, were gonna spend about 3 days just making everything good in one fell swoop!

Now, I noticed that a lot of intercoolers come with bov's. Will mine need replaced or is it possible to keep it on?

I figure for the tuning part the car would be in the shop, I'll ask if he needs me to get dsmlink or afc


Sorry if these questions are a bit noobish but this would be my first performance type car, I'm learning quickly I think.

 

You don't need your special mechanic to help install your Inter cooler. Pretty much any type of front mount will hold 400 hp. I would go with an ebay core, and get some 2 1/4 piping. It's only a few hour project.

 

I wasn't thinking the intercooler would take to long. I think the biggest pain would be when we install the fuel pump and rail.

 

Your mechanic can not tune yor car for those 550cc injectors. You need SAFC or DSMLink to tune those injectors. As for length of time to install the injectors and rail, it only takes about 15 minuets. Maybe a few more since you will be installing the regulator at the same time. With the mods listed I would not be focusing on a front mount yet. I would upgrade the turbo and clutch first that is after you get some sort of fuel/air tuning device ofcorse.

 

upgrade the turbo before I bother with an intercooler? Alright, if i take this path, for my setup, not wanting a TON of Hp, is there a specific upgrade you would suggest.

Last thing, no bashing but my 98 is an automatic!

 

upgrade the turbo before I bother with an intercooler? Alright, if i take this path, for my setup, not wanting a TON of Hp, is there a specific upgrade you would suggest.

Last thing, no bashing but my 98 is an automatic!

Yes upgrade the turbo before the intercooler. The stock T25 is a joke of a turbo and can not outflow the stock sidemount. You will never reach above 250awhp with the T25 but you can make it to over 300awhp with the stock sidemount. Get yourself a 14b or 16g as you already have the fuel mods to support either of those turbos. As for the auto just put some money into making sure that it is in good shape.

 

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171980
Jump on those intercooler deals while they are availible, they wont be around for ever and it is the best deal you will ever find.

 

cant access the page to look

 

I'd say it doesn't really matter if you upgrade IC or turbo first. Whatever you have the money for. And a 14b on high boost will heat soak the side mount. The difference in spool time on a front mount verses a side mount is not even noticeable. It's completely up to you.

 

I'd say it doesn't really matter if you upgrade IC or turbo first. Whatever you have the money for. And a 14b on high boost will heat soak the side mount. The difference in spool time on a front mount verses a side mount is not even noticeable. It's completely up to you.

A t25 will also heat soak if you run too high of boost with a side mount. But the gains from running a front maount with a T25 are very little. While the gains from switching the turbo will be quite a bit more. Just like I stated before, he will never see any higher then 250 awhp if he even sees that with the T25 but if he runs an EVO 3 16g even with the sidemount he can see over 300 awhp so dollar for dollar at this point in the build I would have to say goes hands down to upgrading the turbo.

 

cant access the page to look

you have to have 50 posts in order to view the section ...

i've been here for like 3 years and i still dont have 50. lol.

 

Well first of all you should SEARCH before start buying anything,thats the first rule to do it the right way,now some suggestions:

1) If you are putting a regulator,then buy a Walbro255 instead of the 190 ,it will be good for 500whp and costs the same! And dont forget to re wire the pump!!

2)Forget about the FMIC for now,use the money and get a Big 16G or regular 16g ,that would yield more power than any FMIC + T25 setup even on the stock sidemount.

3)You HAVE! to boy some kind of fuel management to put any injectors other than the stock ones ,the ECU alone cant compensate for those 550´s , you need a SAFC or a MAF-t (if using the MAF-t you can vent the bov in to the atmo.

4) you havent mentioned a exhaust , get rid of the stock one right away and put a full 3" exhaust !!!

 

1.I got the walboro because I don't really plan to get get up to 500. You all have said to rewire the pump. I will read up on that.

2. I will be looking around for a 16g turbo for the car, this is my decision.

3. I have a fuel regulator and I guess will be making the investment into DSMlink. The person who had the car before me has the bov venting into the atmosphere... is this a bad thing considering its just about a stock tsi setup?

4. I'm good on the exhaust already.. not 3 yet, but close.

 

1.I got the walboro because I don't really plan to get get up to 500. You all have said to rewire the pump. I will read up on that.

2. I will be looking around for a 16g turbo for the car, this is my decision.

3. I have a fuel regulator and I guess will be making the investment into DSMlink. The person who had the car before me has the bov venting into the atmosphere... is this a bad thing considering its just about a stock tsi setup?

4. I'm good on the exhaust already.. not 3 yet, but close.

1. Walbro is good. Don't really matter if 190 or 255 for the setup you're going with.
2. 16g is very nice. Evo3 16g being the best of the 16g family.
3. You will need an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for the fuel pump so that's a very good investment. DSMLINK is off the hook. That shit should be everyone's very first mod. Venting on stock system is pretty bad. Fix it asap.
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If you have no choice in venting (like me, I have a FP intake pipe with no recirc tube) you can use NLTS in DSMLink and it wont make any difference.
This is not the best choice though, the best coice it to recirc the BOV.

 

What if the bov is not recirculated? Will it hurt the car or HP?... more importantly.. the car of course.

 

If you don't recirculate it, then the car will be running rich. The car will most likely bog, hurt gas mileage, and well you can search for the rest.

 

If you don't recirculate it, then the car will be running rich. The car will most likely bog, hurt gas mileage, and well you can search for the rest.

Venting only causes your car to run rich between shifts. Once you hit the gas again the BOV closes and it is no longer an issue. Also a recirculated BOV helps to keep the turbo spooled between shifts.

 

If you go with DSMLink you can use the NTLS (No Lift To Shift) feature and the vented BOV will be a non issue. If you never lift the throttle the throttle plate never closes and the BOV never releses, so the rich condition is never created. It will also keep the boost up inbetween gears.
Venting the BOV will not cause an mechanical damage to the car. The reason it is so importand to recirc the BOV is because the ECU has already accounted for the air that is going to be released by the BOV and when it is not recirculated back into the system the car goes rich for a second.
The best way to avoid this is to recirculate the BOV. I have been bucking the system but I think I am even going to have a spot welded onto my intake pipe to recirc so I can do it right.

 

hmm.. running rich between shifts, what if your an automatic. I have had the problem in the car whenever I run the car with the turbo active my a/f goes straight to rich. I figured it just needed tuned but the bov could be the colprit maybe?


ps. If i were looking for just one question or 2, maybe three i would search. The search feature isn't real accurate on this board in the first place(no offense) If I were to search for problems or questions specific to my make and model with the aftermarket parts it would be a long long time for each one. heh, plus this is a forum, not a faq, I'm sure its not so bad helpin out a beginner though my questions may seem sometimes retarted! Thanks all!