Really don't know what are you trying to really get at. Who are you comparing to? Well as for are they fast...... take a look at the possibilities.... They can run as fast as 9 sec or better and have more than 600hp (Built up) As far as how much horsepower you have..... A stock 4G63 Turbo motor comes with 210Hp stock. If you really want to know what is your Horsepower estimate for your particular application you have to run a 1/4 mile and input your numbers in the Horsepower calculator which can be found Here

 

your car is slow like mine.

 

do most people look at GST's as being fast?

Most people who don't have experience with DSMs dont know much about them. If they do know about them then yea most educated people see them as faster than most stock 'imports', but the majority of people probably just see you as a pretty car. which is actually what i prefer.

 

At 70k, your stock turbo might be getting a little tired, especially boosting at 16psi. That could hurt your top end a good bit.

As for how people here in Socal see GST's, any wrx, srt4, or decent honda vtec will run up against a t25 eclipse because the top end on it sucks.

 

Is it fast when mostly stock? No. I love these cars, but in stock form they're zippy at best. With mild mods they're quick. When you're maxing out a 14B or better then they're fast. I consider a mid 13 or lower fast. 12's are really fast, and anything below that is sick.

 

my 16G equipped GS-T could hang with LS1's and the like on the highway, therefore I considered it fast.

 

IMO fast is relative to the area you live in and the cars that drive it. Heres how I look at my car....

1)When I go to the DSM meets or talk to hardcore DSM guys, do I consider my car fast... LOL, hell no!!

2)When in my surrounding area, do myself and others consider my car fast... Yes.

 

I agree with the zippy comment. My car is down again (a DSM down go figure) and my mechanic lent me his 2g gst. It is zippy but it is not fast, when compared to mine. It can be added that mine is not as fast when compared to others. Comparing it to a lot of imports a stock DSM is pretty sweet.

In the end if you are comfortable with it, leave it where it is . . .

 

IMO fast is relative to the area you live in and the cars that drive it. Heres how I look at my car....

1)When I go to the DSM meets or talk to hardcore DSM guys, do I consider my car fast... LOL, hell no!!

2)When in my surrounding area, do myself and others consider my car fast... Yes.

HA, I hear ya, being in Jersey, having some heavy hitter DSM tuners, Turbotrix, DSMotorsport, BM Tranny, BP, and even some fast as hell independent guys, makes it hard to consider my car fast.

 

when people say Fast they mean running 11 or 10 sec. Quarter mile times. To me that def. makes them fast but quick on the other hand no. These kind of cars (most) are crap on the street for everyday use and have LONG lag times..

With me, I had a FPgreen and now am back on the t25 and love it. With the mods I have I prob. will be in the 13.7 quarter mile range. Which is all I need, concid. I just finished tuning my suspenssion for road/racing, and Solo2.

If you want to max out that t25, and be quick as hell, work on; a intake pipe, to replace the accordian like one on there now, ported o2 housing or step up to a stainless steel one at 2.5 inches, a 3" downpipe, and 3" cat back exaust. You can even add a ported turbine housing for a little more top end flow, and a S-AFC to tune your fuel mix to the max.

 

If you're trying to hit 13's I would go with at least a big28. It's pretty hard to get 13's (FWD, Street tires, no NOS) with only a t25. Look at http://www.dsmtimes.org/fwd.htm the fastest no NOS run is a 13.99 @100 (2.2 60', and the fastest trap is 102mph. Not very fast IMO. It's fast for a t25, but not really fast in general. Plus those guys are the top t25 GST's listed. Meaning it's not easy to do either. I'd rather just upgrade the turbo.

 

not to jack the thread or anything.

with the T25 I put on a FP Big28 housing (Bascily a t25 housing thats been ported to hell and back for topend flow), 17psi internal wastegate accuator (factory is 11), and a external dump tube. Engine wise, I have a magnus stage 1 block and head with cyclone intake (prob. run open butterflys'), wraped up with a fully tuned DSMlink with launch control.

hopefully with all this, I will break into the mid-upper 13s.

 

Well, nobody really did this comparo, so here you go...

Your car has got 210hp stock (flywheel factory rating) so figure you are putting down about 175-190ish to the wheels.

99-00 civic si rated at 160 flywheel hp, and like 101lbs torque
02+ civic si rated at 160 flywheel hp and like 132lbs torque
1991-99 sentra/200sx se-r rated at 140hp/132lbs torque
01+ spec-v rated at 175 hp at the flywheel
focus zx3 rated 130 flywheel hp
" " svt rated at 180 flywheel hp
95+ z24 cavaliers are rated at 150hp I believe.
Older 2.8 and 3.1 liter z-cavaliers are 145hp
1986 olds 442 with 305ci V-8 rated at 170 flywheel hp
03+ rx-8 puts down only 205hp to the wheels despite mazda's 250hp rating (sparking lawsuits)
87-92 supra turbo is rated 240 at the flywheel
93+ supra nt is rated at 220 to the flywheel

Compared to the 300 hp rated supratt, 300zxtt, and 3000gtvr-4 stock for stock you probably won't be able to touch them.

So, in conclusion... the only honda you need to worry about is a type-r, and even that won't touch you with the mods you have got.

slap on a big open exhaust and I would say you are putting down in the neighborhood of 200-220 to the wheels, with the mods you have got. I think the highest that I have ever heard of someone running on a t-25 was 240whp... Personally I think you would be hard pressed to put down numbers like that without a FMIC, 3" exhaust and tuning equipment

 

To the wheels? 240 ! I must be doing somthing wrong then of course I only have 2.5" exhaust and I am running really rich. But I could only put down 210hp to the wheels and 250tq. It was only one run and I could not tune at all though.

 

djmamayek, thats some serious research. That makes me feel better about my Talon. Thanks for the info.

 

no your car is not fast, its obnoxiously slow, hell i rather have a go cart zzzz

 

You could simply do more of the cheap mods and gain more power and torque... another thing to maybe think about since you're not seriously going for major speed.. but is throttle response... such as getting all of your intercooler piping and such.. will increase throttle response and spool up time! Even though its really quick on the T25, with your throttle response even better, you could romp on it at just about any point and get instant boost and power.

 

To the wheels? 240 ! I must be doing somthing wrong then of course I only have 2.5" exhaust and I am running really rich. But I could only put down 210hp to the wheels and 250tq. It was only one run and I could not tune at all though.

I think they were running a dsmlink.... with all possible bolt on mods. who knows, coulda been fudged, but I took that as the generally accepted peak number on a t25

 

SR guys max their t2smalls out at just about 255-260 whp with every supporting mod you could think of. A DSM could likely do that 240whp figure with the same mods, bigger injectors, big front mount, 3" turbo back exhaust, safc+tuning, intake and little stuff like that.

 

woud a FMIC really be good for a t25? It doesnt soak the side mount now so what would be the benifit?

I also dont see the ben. in using large injectors. The object is to lean out the car with tuning, not make it run pig rich.

 

woud a FMIC really be good for a t25? It doesnt soak the side mount now so what would be the benifit?

I also dont see the ben. in using large injectors. The object is to lean out the car with tuning, not make it run pig rich.

:dunno: The sr20 guys make a huge honkin front mount (greddy vspl is the minimum here) a standard part of a swap. The guys that "do it right" have the front mount, injectors, safc, new clutch, lsd, new alm. radiator and electric fans, even a lower-restriction maf, all sorts of supporting stuff for their t2smalls. The gains they get with some of the stuff really don't make a difference, a basic swap with just the front mount and exhaust usually makes something like 20 less than the fully tuned version. But then again, they are ready to drop any of a number of turbos in for 300 to just over 400 horsepower without anything else being done, and the people I know with these cars don't have any reliability problems (because they've just replaced, checked or serviced everything that can go wrong on the car- the advantage of doing an engine swap and doing it the right way).

 

I am pretty familiar with the sr20, and these numbers are true, but dont the det motors come with GT-25 turbo's with VASTLY more updated compressor and turbine wheels?

Also many of the newer sylvia sr20det's came with T28's...

I think the fact of the matter is that a bigger turbo is what really wakes up a DSM, just because the sr motors can flourish on such a small compressor doesn't mean that the 4g will do the same. I just had an argument on the sr boards with a guy about the similarities and differences in the motors. Fact is, it costs more to make a fast sr powered car than it does to make a fast DSM.

 

Fact is, it costs more to make a fast sr powered car than it does to make a fast DSM.

true, the piston and rods on the 20 are not as robust as ours.

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As far as doing it right. If you are planning to stay with a t25 than there is not point in getting a FMIC and injectors. a 255 lph pump with rewire and S-AFC fully tuned she be more than adequate.
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On another note, to give your car another 10percent increase in power you could have your exaust housing shipped off to Forced Performance and they will port it for $95. Great upgrade *thumbs up*

 

woud a FMIC really be good for a t25? It doesnt soak the side mount now so what would be the benifit?

I also dont see the ben. in using large injectors. The object is to lean out the car with tuning, not make it run pig rich.

Most people get bigger injectors because they plan on getting a bigger turbo.

 

As tested by R&T in 98, the GS-T
0-60 in 6.5
1320 in 15.1 @ 91.

Not bad for a 2.0, better than most imports of its time. I wouldn't talk much s*** to a wrx owner or anything though.