Nice dude. Someone on tuners just went 10.5 on one.

 

Is the 68HTA the same thing as a HTA 16g?

 

Yes.

Not worth the extra 300-400 over the evo3 16G in my opinion. For that price I would rather buy a gt35r or one of PTE's new billet turbos.

I would get a 6262.

 

Not worth the extra 300-400 over the evo3 16G in my opinion. For that price I would rather buy a gt35r or one of PTE's new billet turbos.

 

How many of you guys are running mid 10's at 130+ mph? crickets...........thats what I thought. The 68HTA is a nice turbo, it bolts straight up and fits like stock. Its not some cluster like a 35R setup or a PTE where most DSM guys head to Home Depot for the parts to make it fit, and support it all with an Ebay intercooler and hand filed injectors. They run their mid 12's at 120mph and spend all night posting on dsmtalk. Listen, its a nice piece and its quality. Hell if it wasn't for forced performance you wouldn't have PTE's billet turbos to buy because PTE wouldn't have a billet design to reverse engineer and call their "own".

 

Can anyone tell me why the HTA68 is so much greater than an Evo 3 16G?


Hell, $500 gets you a damn nice bolt on HX35, or good T3 HX35 setup if you shop wisely. Are they stuffing 30r wheels inside of 16G's or something??

 

Anything FP comes out with people go crazy over. It suppose to have better spool and top end. But for that price I don't think many people will choose it over a good ol' evo3 16g.

 

For $950 PLUS shipping, I would seriously rather drop $1k on a fully supported T3 Holset setup..and you would probably still have money enough left over for more parts like Meth injection/etc.


Anyone want to give me that cash so I can test this theory?

 

+1 on the last three posts. The guy on Tuners who went 10.5 was Lucas English's auto 1G which is an amazing car. Ive heard claims of 47lbs/min thrown around , but even so a simple hx35 will still squash that for half the price... As much as I love the idea of a maxed out e316g car, If you dont already have one I dont think theres a point in getting any type of 16g at all now days, a hx35 should be the new stock turbo upgrade when the intent was on 16g spool times imo.
OP good luck with your new turbo, maybe you can make some good numbers with it to shut some of us up?!

 

If you dont already have one I dont think theres a point in getting any type of 16g at all now days, a hx35 should be the new stock turbo upgrade when the intent was on 16g spool times imo.

I agree completely. The only reason I've got my Evo 3 16G is because I got it in a straight up trade for my 14B. (thanks SLEEPS )

 

Wasn't that car from Lucas English running similar times on a evo3 16g already? That car is well built and is one of those few exceptions. But that's all it takes for some people to be convinced and think they will run similar times on the same turbo.

 

I think LE ran all of a 10.6 on an Evo 3 16G, but with no intercooler + a shit ton of meth + E85.

 

eThey now have the HTA68 on that car. They just ran it this week I believe from evo Tech:

"Little Auto"- 68HTA (FP will notice I didnt call it an HTA16G), 9:1 2.3, V3 DSMlink in SD, lighter than stock, 160k stock auto, E75 (E98 and some 109), intercooler. Yeah thats about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYhUjHC9HTU

10.5@130... makes my turbo look like shit.

 

car went 10.6 on an evo3 and stock bottom end. the new motor could of helped this trap speed, or turbo, who knows.

I would like to try an HTA but meh.

 

Jeff was saying that's not all the car has. So I guess we will see what happens. Op have fun with it. Let us know how it treats you!

 

o snap

 

And the Evo3 16g isn't a nice turbo? Do you think the extra 300-400 dollars justifies the minimal gains over a evo3 16g? Cause i seriously don't. I'm one of those guys who would rather get more bang for my buck, isn't that the reason we own dsm's? And there are bolt on gt35r that require minimal things done to make it work.

 

The 68hta can be had for $720 if you catch it on a sale. That's a fairly reasonable price for the performance.

 

It cost you $950!?

Holy piss I just bought my whole setup of an MHI Big 16G, Evo 560's, Walboro 255, APEXi AFC NEO, and AEM Wideband for $550.

 

Hx35 > 68HTA Imo...

 

I have a PTE turbo on my car an there is no home depot parts on it. They fit just fine.

 

We all know there are more capable turbos for the money, but we also don't know the intentions of the OP. For a 400hp goal with quick spool and amazing torque this turbo sounds like a great choice. Would I buy one, no, but that does not mean it is not a good turbo. You guys need to get off the price. I could have built my car for half of what I spent, but I bought the parts I wanted since it is my car.

 

You guys need to get off the price. I could have built my car for half of what I spent, but I bought the parts I wanted since it is my car.

Exactly. It's his car, let him post the results, not what everyone else thinks/knows.


I'm saving for a PTE 50 trim, are you going to sit there and tell me to buy an hx35 instead?

 

From what I've read, it has a compressor wheel that is a few millimeters smaller than a 20g and is matched to the td05h. And yes, you do have an untrained eye. Look at the difference in the I.D. on the inlet and compare it the one on a standard 16g

 

STFU.

 

Everyone has seen or heard about Evo3 16g turbos and TD05H 18g turbos for the Mitsubishi Eclipse 4G63 engines, our newest turbo for this application is the FP 68HTA™ Turbocharger for DSM Flanged Vehicle which out flows both the E316g and 18g wheels and allows for higher PR operation without increased compressor outlet temperatures like the existing 16g and 18g wheels. Mass flow is increased to a whopping 47lb/min which is several lb/min greater than either the E316g or the 18g wheels are capable. Rapid spool and large torque numbers are guaranteed by the TD05H turbine section.

http://store.forcedperformance.net/...mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSMFP68HTA&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo

Currently on sale for $849. I think more real world results are needed before this turbo is written off. Although anything FP touches will be quality and will perform.

 

I kind of hope it does turn out to be an awesome turbo, as I would love to be proven wrong by it making an 8 sec pass or something like that, but I just have a hard time justifying $850 for something that only ran like a second faster than an Evo III 16G on a stock bottom end.

But, like everyone is hinting, it's too soon to either write it off, OR praise it. We'll have to wait for numbers. I wish someone would go from an Evo III 16G to this turbo(same injectors, everything the same including boost, only thing that changes is the turbos), and give a good UNBIASED review so we could all see the results.

 

Like I said earlier though, when they have a sale, you can pick one up for $720. That seems like a fair enough price to me. If I was in the market for a new turbo, I would probably have a hard time not buying the 68hta. The other one I've been keeping an eye on is the 3160, but that's a fair amount more money by the time you get a WG and o2 housing.

I highly doubt that it will ever make an 8 second pass because the ER "turd" made a 9.6 second pass on a 3065 and I don't believe the 68hta can compete on that level.

 

Holy fuck it's not cheap so I don't want it. Typical dsmer response..

 

Your not paying attention to what we are saying, mate. We're not saying "its expensive I don't want it" we are saying "Why pay $800-$950 for a turbo thats inferior to a turbo I can get for $500 that'll get me more power, better trap speeds, better top end, all the while still spooling quick as hell, with plenty of room to grow?". Which, to me, doesn't seem that bad of a question.


This isn't like comparing an Evo III GT to an Evo 16G, and I really don't see how everyones going nuts because we're saying we don't want to pay $800-$950 for a turbo that hasn't even been proven any better than a run of the mill Evo III 16G.


Although, for $720 it sounds a little more tempting..but like I said, a holset + BEP housing costs you right at $500-$550. So I agree with black_bullet when he says the HX35 should replace the 16G as a common upgrade.

 

The thing is, if you don't like what you are getting for the money you don't have to buy it. Not everyone wants HX35 power so they buy a turbo that meets their needs.

 

CrackedDSM, you have me convinced. I'm buying a PTE 50 trim since its cheaper.

[typical DSMer]

ireallyliketheidea ofabiggerturbofolessdoyou think I should get aSSAUTOCHOROMEmanifoldaswell my friendgotoneoffebayandwhileI'm on ebayIthoughtI'd buy awastegateistnoreal made in CHINA butitlooksthesamemyfriendsayidoyouthingthickisigaooodidea?

[/typical DSMer]

 

[typical DSMer]

ireallyliketheidea ofabiggerturbofolessdoyou think I should get aSSAUTOCHOROMEmanifoldaswell my friendgotoneoffebayandwhileI'm on ebayIthoughtI'd buy awastegateistnoreal made in CHINA butitlooksthesamemyfriendsayidoyouthingthickisigaooodidea?

[/typical DSMer]

I'm assuming this is directed at me? If so, I've said nothing of the sort, if not, then disregard this message.


Answer me this how everyone is saying it's such a fucking bad idea to get a better turbo for less money if the desired result is nice 1/4 times, but quick spool for the street?? Honestly, this is starting to get under my skin. I do not see the point in spending SO MUCH MORE MONEY for something that in all fairness probably wont take you very far without SERIOUS modifications. It makes me wonder if you guys like spending money just because it's the most expensive thing you can get.


It's like going to a fancy restaurant and paying $700 for a meal that won't even fill you up, when you can get a better, more hearty meal to feed the whole family for a month for ten times less. But I suppose since the meal is more expensive, it's the logical, better choice.

I don't understand you guys sometimes...

 

The 68HTA isn't that expensive. Its very new and already going mid 10's at 130+ mph on a budget build car with quality parts and quality wrenching. Its doing it on street radials, not DR's or slicks. Its putting down mid 400whp through an auto and trapping harder than the E3 16g. It spools faster than a HX35 that you are so commonly quoting as "cheap speed". It bolts in, no denting of the water pipe and no trimming of the radiator fan or getting rid of it all together. It is a direct bolt on to a stock car if you wish to save even more money and you can add better parts later when you get the time and money. You get a modern technology billet wheel. You get a turbo CHRA that is designed to last 200+K miles on a DSM.

 

I agree with you danl, but I don't think ER's results should really be used as an argument/selling point for this turbo. The average DSMer won't see those results with this turbo, but it is capable of doing it.

 

I follow you cracked. I'm right with you.

However, let's not get this thread turned into a pissing match where we have members getting pissed mmm k?