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MAFT and the 3" GM MAF

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#1 ·
Here's my take on this.

This mod consists of two separate parts.
The MAFT, or the translator part of this mod comes from Ramchargers. It costs $199 and is found
here.

Seems this is the hottest mod since the 16g came out so they are overwhelmed with orders. Be patient. You will get it and it will be good. ;)

You will need another part which is the GM MAF. Either the 3" or the 3.5" version will work. I'm using a 3" MAF. I got mine from a junkyard in Alabama that replied to my parts request that I posted at http://www.junkyarddog.com/. Mine was $40 shipped, but that was before everybody in auto recycling probably noticed these were a hot item all of a sudden. Anyways it came guaranteed to work. Make sure you get the right MAF! The engine code letter on the VIN of the junk GM vehicle has to match one of those posted in the very long list of donor cars already posted here at dsmtalk over in the Parts Talk Forum. Search for it.

Install is straight forward, very quick and simple, it comes with explicit instructions. Use them because they work. I installed mine in the UIC pipe after the BOV. I had to cut my UIC pipe to make room for the MAF and the couplers. Mine is coupled right onto the TB elbow. No problems and the sound of a FP3065 venting to atmosphere without the car going pig rich is rather shweet. I got my 2.5" to 3" silicone reducing couplers and the t-bolt clamps at RRE. The couplers went on with very little hassle even though the O.D. of the GM MAF is more than 3". I descreened my 3" MAF before installation.

With my 650 injectors the 5% increments that the MAFT adjusts in can be sensitive and are immediately felt and seen in the fuel trims and in the knock counts at WOT. It is easy to tune and again the instructions tell you just like it is and which way to turn the dials to go leaner or richer and even what percentage change of the signal each click of a dial means. You still have to have a clue of where your car is at with what injector size, fuel pressure, turbo size, what MAS, etc. and how all of that affects where you want the dials set at. I'd highly recommend the use of a PocketLogger to verify your fuel trims, knock counts and timing advance curve to really set this correctly, so that the car runs at it's best within just a few miles of the install.

I have a '91 AWD and I went with the 2G version of the MAFT. Version 1.3 I believe it is. I already had a 2G mas and S-afc in the car and was pretty well tuned. So I knew right where to set most everything at start-up. I have the white RPM wire connected at the CAS to get the most out of the MAFT's capabilities. I have extended the wire harness and have the MAFT sitting in the glovebox now. If you do this, I'd recommend that you extend the three wires going to the GM MAS first. Kind of separate them, then ziptie those three wires together so they don't get mixed up, because the two harness connectors from the MAFT use two of the same colors in the wiring for each connector. There are two pink and two black wires. Don't get them mixed up. When you see it you'll know what I mean. Solder all of your connections and use heatshrink tubing to cover the welds.

I can not say how much this mod helps the turbo reach boost threshold faster or spool up faster specifically because of it though. I changed alot of stuff on my car at the same time. What I do know is that I have a FP3065 turbo that is nailing 22 psi by 4500 rpm on a stock six-bolt shortblock. I'm damn sure this mod is helping that out just a little bit. ;)

Now just a little info on what I've discovered messing with this thing and my fuel pressure so far. Remember that I have a 1G and the 2G version of the MAFT here.

I tried to establish the 650 injectors set at 50 psi base fuel pressure with the MAFT. Just as I discovered with the 2G MAS and the S-afc awhile back it reduces the airflow signal so much that timing is way up there at 39 degrees at WOT with the MAFT fully leaned out and the base set where idle fuel trims were cool. The car is super slow and chokes on it's own timing advance. That sucks, hehe.

Sooo, I dropped the base fuel pressure down to 45 psi and adjust again. No dice, same thing. It just puts you into a really bad timing advance map to be in at WOT. I was at 34 degrees at the onset of WOT at this point. By the time I got to redline it was better, but spool-up was horrible and there was a big flat spot in response.

At this point I'm done fucking around wth it and I go to 38 psi base fuel pressure. This is real good! I get the fuel trims back in line with a couple of clicks on the MAFT. Hit the frontage road and bam 24 degrees of timing at the top of third gear at redline at 22 psi on 91 octane pump gas, very low knock counts and the car is just super strong. Fucking woody!

This timing/fuel map scenario is why people go to a stand-alone.

Overall this is a great mod with some great benefits of doing it, decent price, great overall tuneability with it, great customer service, easy to install and the instructions are good and in fucking English, eh?! What more do you want!

I'll post a pic or two and my settings soon.
 
#3 ·
I didnt notice any difference in spool up on my setup with it, just to add in my experience. I still have some tuning to be done with it, as it pops like a bitch at mid/wot, but one of my couplings is blown on the LICP (I quickly rigged up a fernco rubber coupling down there and it just warped and blew out finally) so I gotta order a new silicone one this week. I have mine set as a blow through setup as well.

Since I still have a bit more tuning to do I dont want to really add in my comments on the performance increase, however I dont know if I can get it tuned without the use of the Safc. The settings on the MAFT do work, but they just dont seem like they are fine enough to get it working nicely without additional control.
 
#4 ·
Well I broke down and bough another fernco coupling to hold me over until I get the silicone one. It had been 2 weeks since I had driven her so I broke down and bought one :). Anyway, I dialed her in a little more last night, and she's running slightly better now, no longer popping bad during hard throttle. Anyway, I have boost turned up from 17psi to 19psi now, and I havent fine tuned the fuel so its hard to say the difference it really makes, however by my logs I was still hitting 18* of timing, up top so I'd imagine they are pretty close at this point now that the sputtering is gone. Initially at the same boost I was running 2* higher timing, and running about 20-30*C cooler EGT's after the install to give you an idea of the gain it made me, however I am curious what the final difference will be when she's all dialed in correctly. As I said she is pretty close now, but I'd like to hook up the datalogger and fine tune it possibly on the Safc so she's perfect. She was near perfectly tuned before, so it's hard to do a true comparison since she isnt perfectly tuned right now. Overall the spool up doesnt seem any quicker, but I have a 2g so I wasnt expecting anything severely noticable. I have it set up as a blow through setup as mentioned, so the intake noises are quite loud, but I always have vented my Greddy BOV so it didnt change much on that aspect.

One good thing I've noticed about the blow thorugh setup is that when I did have the blown lower IC pipe coupling, the car still drove around fine obviously, just I was as slow as an 8.5:1 NA car, but at least it still drove. Definately helped as otherwise I wouldnt been sputtering the entire way home.
 
#5 ·
Very nice review Van. This thing will be on my car at some point in the future. Two questions for you:

Did you get rid of the AFC entirely and just use the MAFT for tuning, or are you still using the AFC for fine-tuning?

What's the difference between the 1G and 2G MAFTs?
 
#6 ·
Thanks Victor.

My S-afc is still in place, all I did was zero out the %'s at every rpm point. I am planning on using the s-afc to fine tune it if necessary and then of course to lean her out on race fuel at the track.

I was told they are different by Ramchargers, obviously the MAS plug is different, but they said the corrections are different as well. Maybe Mike L. will see this and can chime in.

To me it just made sense to get the 20% more air at the same Hz level with the MAFT just like I was with the 2G mas. I guess we'll see if the 2G MAFT is a better choice or not as time goes on and more people do it as well.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Pics start here

Ok this first pic is a top view of the 3" MAF installed as described above. It shows the 2.5" tp 3" couplers available from RRE, the t-bolt clamps, the Magnus intake manifold, the Westco SLA small battery, etc. In this pic is a conspicuously clean black wire wrap with a few zip ties around it running between the battery and where the strut tower is. That wrap is what I put around my extended harness wires.
 

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#10 ·
Van said:
Just a quick pic of the MAFT box in the glove box. Kind of lame, but I like it way better for adjusting the MAFT and keeping it out of the engine compartment just seems like a good idea to me.
Hehe .. its horsepower in a glovebox :D Sorry, its 5am and I'm still asleep. Excellent review.

:angel:
 
#11 ·
Vern, how'd you run the wires to place the maf in the glovebox? I extended my wire harness for the maf and was hoping to go through the rubber grommet behind where the battery would sit on the firewall rather than going through the steering shaft boot. My battery is relocated to the trunk and I'm afraid of any frequency or noise problems like what would be found when running your amp power and rca cables next to one another.
 
#12 ·
hey trying to install my MAFT....can you do me a favor and take a pic of where you hooked up the rpm wire...i know its to the CAS...but im not getting in my head where this is...maybe a pic of it on the engine..thanks guys
 
#13 ·
I went thru that grommet with the extended harness.

I went to the black wire on pin#2 of the CAS. The CAS is at the end of the intake cam by the TB next to the valve cover, and has four wires on it. You want the smaller black wire.
 
#14 ·
"I went thru that grommet with the extended harness. "

...... I tried going through that with an unbent coat hanger and kept running into trouble with the blower motor. I'll try to use a more flexible type of wire tomorrow to help pull the extended harness through I suppose. What was your approach method?
 
#15 ·
That won't work.

You have to drop the blower to get the wire around the floor matting. It's really thick and even if you managed to puncture it, it would be next to impossible to grab the wire from inside.
 
#16 ·
Another guy from the translator list sent me this e-mail on how he managed to do it:
"Hi Brent--


I did mine early last week. I have had the translator installed under
the hood for a few months, but with the installation of 2.5 UIC piping,
I found the tune went kind of crazy... Turned out to be leaks... Leaks
all fixed now, running blow through. Runs great! I decided that I
wanted the translator installed in my glove box. I simply made up a
bundle of 10 wires, and passed them through the factory grommet along
with the factory wiring. It was kind of tricky. I spent about 45
minutes before I figured it out. It is really easy if you find the
right angle! The trick is to feed a electricians snake through the
hole, and aim for the lower right corner of the windshield. After you
get the snake into the corner, open the glovebox-- squeeze the sides in
so it will open farther. I was then able to work my left hand into the
same corner as where the snake ended up. I had to sneak my fingers
around behind the sound dampener mat. Pull the snake through to where
you can attach your wires to it. The snake will pull them through to
the engine compartment with a little finesse. The translator is working
fine with the extra 4 feet of or so of additional wire. No rpm wire
interference etc... It is handy to have it in the car when tuning. I
find that on really hot days, I have to richen the WOT a click. I
imagine this is due to excessive heating of the intake air throwing off
the sensor a bit or just the increase in intake air temp increasing
knock.


Good luck!


Craig"

I'll give that a try tomorrow and if it fails I'll be pulling the blower motor then. There's like only 4 or 5 nuts holding it on, correct? I'm trying to recall how many I saw when I was checking it out the other night.
 
#17 ·
I know that aiming for the lower right corner of the windshield would be correct.

As far as getting my hand back in there, it wouldn't happen, couldn't be done.

It takes less than 45 minutes to pull the blower box. There's two nuts up top and I think two or one on the bottom.
 
#18 ·
I tell you what the nicest install I have yet to see with this thing is. Someone ran the Power in a box into their center console on a 2g. If you open the center console on a 2g you will notice there is a compartment in the actual part you open itself, and the guy mounted it inside there. It was perfect. The box IMO is ugly as hell, and definately doesnt flow well with the nice clean interior I've tried to keep, but his install was definately hidden, and yet perfectly accessible to the driver on the fly. Perfect IMO. Just a thought. I dont know if 1g's have the same hidden compartment 2g's do.
 
#19 ·
Van said:
I went to the black wire on pin#2 of the CAS. The CAS is at the end of the intake cam by the TB next to the valve cover, and has four wires on it. You want the smaller black wire.
hey i think i am retarded...i found a couple of wires all around...dont wanna tap into the wrong one...what color are the other wires that are in that bunch...its a on a 2g
 
#21 ·
im gonna post a few pics of plugs that i have found in the area...can anyone tell me which is the one to tap into the black wire for the CAS...which one is the CAS?
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#22 ·
If you have a 95-96 DSM, it's under the intake cam gear on the drivers side. If you have a 97-99, it's on the end of intake cam on the passenger side.

Doesn't really help me to know that you drive a Jetta. ;)
 
#23 ·
Hi Van:

Which TB elbow is that ? Is it 2.5 O.D. ?