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#21 ·
Well the mutt's don't require any custom pieces to install. Just let us know how many trips you have to make to the local hardware store just to get it bolted up.. Then let us know why your car overheats because you had to beat the hell out of your water pipe. Also let us know why the mutt level 50 boost creeps all to hell from the internal gate. The FP 30 looks to be really well thought out. The cast the exhaust housing so that you wouldn't need a custom manifold (that will crack), so that it would clear the waterpipe, so that you won't need an expensive O2 elim housing, & so that install & removal will be easier than stock. The Vband setups are very nice & easy to work with. Would cost you $50 tops to make an adapter to the stock exhaust.. hell FP will prolly offer one also. Also from what I have been hearing.. DSM-P is not making many wise business decisions... and may soon be out of business (again)... so what are you going to do for customer support at that point? Just my $.02...

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#22 ·
KenTSIII said:
Also from what I have been hearing.. DSM-P is not making many wise business decisions... and may soon be out of business (again)... so what are you going to do for customer support at that point?
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What? The DSM Shop make bad business decisions, I think I'm in shock. :rolleyes: I don't believe a single word you're saying. I know, a new name for the shop will fix all those problems.

Back on topic: This turbo is completely bolt on. Whether or not they provide the lazy people with a custon adapter for the downpipe. Whether you like it or not for a big turbo an external gate is necessary. So with a turbo of this size you would've been making custom pipes anyways to get the external to fit. In fact in this case it's even easier because they provided you with a PERFECT place to mount your external, all you have to do is decide how you wanna route the outlet of the wastegate.

Simply because you are lazy you cannot claim that something is not necessary. When you're flowing a lot of air you need a large opening for the wastegate (along with a strong spring) to be able to properly control the boost. Now, if your turbo isn't flowing a lot of air (at least not as much as your supplier is telling you it will) then you won't need that large of an opening or that strong of a spring. In that case you MIGHT be able to get away with an internal gate.

Don't come bitching to us when you free up some restrictions in your setup and turn up the boost only to find the boost spiking to all hell and blowing your pretty little headgasket. Do a little research on your own about turbos and boost control and then come back here and tell us if an external is necessary for this large a turbo.
 
#25 · (Edited)
95GST are you on crack or am I?

The whole reason the O2 elim's cost so much is because they are really complicated w/ wastegate mounts, cracked out mitsu turbine flanges and stuff. All you need with this is a piece of pipe with a downpipe flange on one end of it, and bare pipe on the other.

In simpler terms it won't cost near $200 :).

Funny how Aslan shut up so quick in the other thread about DSM-P vs. Forced when people started asking about his relationship to them in more detail?

And yes KenTSI, from what I understand DSM-P has quite a few unpaid bills from unhappy suppliers.
 
#29 ·
<<<Also from what I have been hearing.. DSM-P is not making many wise business decisions... and may soon be out of business (again)... so what are you going to do for customer support at that point? Just my $.02... >>>

Who did you hear that from? Mrs. Cleo? It's funny how things get made up on the internet. They just sold their 500th Mutt turbo last month. Yep, I see them going out of business any minute now :rolleyes:



<<<What? The DSM Shop make bad business decisions, I think I'm in shock. I don't believe a single word you're saying. I know, a new name for the shop will fix all those problems. >>>

Ted, this is why I made that whole new thread. Here, we still have mindless sheep opening their mouths about something they don't know anything about. Do you see my point? Like me or dislike me, it's going to continue, and that was the reason for my thread.



<<<Funny how Aslan shut up so quick in the other thread about DSM-P vs. Forced when people started asking about his relationship to them in more detail? >>>

The thread got locked before I could respond asshole. Then I made a whole new thread where you can read all about my relationship with DSM-Performance. I guess you mised that one, huh? In case you did, here's the link: http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=40544&highlight=clarification
Doesn't it suck to be knocked off your pedastal and have your foot rammed right into your mouth? How did that one feel? God, it's a shame ignorance isn't painful...

<<<And yes KenTSI, from what I understand DSM-P has quite a few unpaid bills from unhappy suppliers. >>>

Oh really? Care to name one or is this jut more internet BULLSHIT coming from little internet BULLSHITTERS?
 
#30 ·
I am so F-ing tired of hearing Mutt this, Mutt that.

Onto the topic of the new FP-30 please. :)
 
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#31 ·
<<<I am so F-ing tired of hearing Mutt this, Mutt that.

Onto the topic of the new FP-30 please. >>>

And I am sooo F-ing with you it's not even funny. But my name was mentioned in a slanderous way, so I defended myself. I'd rather do it personally through private emails but the people on this board only make comments like that when they have several people to back them up...much like those little wannabe gangs in high school. They never take things up with me one on one, therefore, you have useless banter such as this flooding a message board. I apologize for the role I play in it.

Regards,
 
#32 ·
Understood.:)

Back to the FP-30.:)
 
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#33 ·
Could anyone give me their idea of what FP will likely sell this turbo for and also the powerpotential/spool-up range for this sized turbo? I was going to buy the FP green but now I'm sort of hesitant as this turbo sort of sparks some interest.
 
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16g-95GSX said:
Could anyone give me their idea of what FP will likely sell this turbo for and also the powerpotential/spool-up range for this sized turbo? I was going to buy the FP green but now I'm sort of hesitant as this turbo sort of sparks some interest.
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That info has not been released to the public unfortuantely, and those who know will get thrown in the chicken coop for spilling the beans.

Best I can offer is, call FP and ask.
 
#35 ·
I doubt that varient of the turbo is going to be something intended for the street. But who knows? I personally think Robert wanted to create a turbo that was hands down fast spooling, and made massive power.

I am guessing there will be other varients of the turbo intended for street use.

Peter
 
#37 ·
I just have seen the potential of the Green turbo and know it's spool up capabilities and with this one being ball bearing it just kind of makes me wonder. That turbine housing is simply amazing looking. I think the whole idea of a built in wastegate tube is awesome and will save many people in the long run. I just don't think a non-streetable turbo would have that on there. I mean a turbo that didnt have the potential for street use as well.
 
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#38 ·
fusion_ta66 said:
I've also heard that DSM-Performance is headed towards going out of business. I would advise to stay away from them, unless you like no future customer support.

But on topic, the FP-30 looks like a monster, not for the average street car, that's for sure.


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I talked to DSM Performance and they just got a dyno jet. I don’t think they will be going any where for a long time.

The FP-30 is massive track only. I call Robert the other day and he threatened to hang up on me if I asked any more questions about the FP-30.
 
#40 ·
Well, from looking at the TS04 compressor map, I'd guess that it should start spooling up around 5K-5500RPM. And that turbo should pump out 30psi all the way to 8KRPM at 70% efficiency or better. It's feasible to make 500HP or so w/ it. Probably not on pump gas tho. :)

So, if the FP30 is somewhat comparable to the TS04, then I'd expect it to spoolup a little quicker and make close to the same amount of power.

Sounds like a serious turbo. Fun on the strip and street.

I can't even guess how quickly the FP30 will spool up on our motors. Higher compression would help. More displacement (i.e. stroker) would help too. I'd rather keep the compression low to take advantage of the turbo's efficiency at the high boost levels(~30psi) with less risk of detonation.

I agree, enough about "who did what", and "I'm telling on you." I'd rather just find out more info about the FP30. FP has a great reputation and I am sure that their FP30 will impress as well.


PS- Please don't take any of my numbers as the rock solid truth. I crunched a few numbers and took an educated guess about spoolup and efficiency. I based my guesses off of a TS04 compressor map, not a FP30 compressor map/characteristics. THE FP30 CHARACTERISTICS WILL BE DIFFERENT. I'm just trying to contribute constructively to this thread. It's a shame that I have to type all of this to keep from being flamed or bastardized publicly.
 
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