[Steeltwo]

jay

pm me on some weight reduction

my car is a fatty

 

[V8SpankR]

Even at 2750 it's still solidly 300lbs under the weight of my car with my spare/tools removed,minimal gas and with lighter than stock Enkei wheels,I really need to put my car on a diet and shave some tenths. I'm still impressed with your mods (or lack of ) but are you just gonna cave and go bigger turbo,etc.?

I personally never had a desire to really push the stock turbo and just wanted bigger and easier to go fast and with my 18g@17psi might match your time at sea level so I have nothing negative to say about your car. Looks very clean and that's the way I want to keep mine even in track trim.

 

[Turbo Assassin]

V8Spankr, it seems to me that you are sucking the ITRs dick a little too much. Both cars are excellent sports compacts but you go to extremes to defend the ITR, whos side are you on?

 

[V8SpankR]

V8Spankr, it seems to me that you are sucking the ITRs dick a little too much. Both cars are excellent sports compacts but you go to extremes to defend the ITR, whos side are you on?

Why do you have to be on a side? I've owned my car since '95 and have over 350 strip runs in 7 seasons of racing and will be seeing #8 so I know what I prefer but I'm not on a side.
I do know love DSMs but they aren't the last word in performance like a lot of people think and neither is the Type R but I was just showing how the big the misconception that the Type R is a stripped GSR with 25 more hp. Like I posted before that my best friend/roomate has a blown one and I drive it about one a month and it is a fun car to drive. Not that my DSM isn't fun to drive but through tight winding mountain roads the Type R feels more very glued to the road. Drive one and then give me a real opinion.

I also was making fun how people just have dumb comments when ever somebody posts beating a Type R (look at the first several posts),does the R get under people's skin that much? I personally think the R gets it bad/snooty image from the whole riceboy crowd and it's overzealousness to put a TYPE R sticker on everything plus some R owners are pricks.

Even over on Honda-tech my friend gets shit because he desecrated his R with forced induction. :eeek:
Yes,they're even big headed toward their own kind but fortunatly my friend isn't one of them and actually likes to drive my car and thinks driving my car is like driving on crack.
My car even scares him a little because of the violent spool of the turbo and manic wheel spin from a light but he prefers the smooth uptake of the SC on his R and that it is reliable once we added the AEM EMS and got the freakin' idle smoothed out.

 

[JayHäss]

Even at 2750 it's still solidly 300lbs under the weight of my car with my spare/tools removed,minimal gas and with lighter than stock Enkei wheels,I really need to put my car on a diet and shave some tenths.

Well no doubt it helped. The car was 3090lbs stone stock with a 1/4 tank.

I'm still impressed with your mods (or lack of ) but are you just gonna cave and go bigger turbo,etc.?

Well the reason I have this car is because I poured a lot of money into a house and didn't want to spend big coin on a car again for a bit.

So to answer your question...I got a new ported big 16g and ported 95 mani with Greddy EGT probe in it for $500 and an 02 eliminator for nothing. I'm going to port everything a little better, extrude hone the turbo housings, toss in some 550's, probably do a FMIC, 2100 6puck, (Already have a 255 pump), AFC and go see if I can run an 11.5-11.6@116-117mph.

I'm okay with that.

 

[V8SpankR]

Well the reason I have this car is because I poured a lot of money into a house and didn't want to spend big coin on a car again for a bit.

Smart idea,that's the route I'm taking I like having a cheap, to mod car so I can afford a nice house.

 

[Green Meanie]

I ran a 14.6 in my full interior ITR when I had it. With the 17's on it (w/bs Yokohama Parada's).

My hybrid would stomp the dog shit out of it now. And I'm about join the ranks of the force inducted performance crowd.

This has been debated before. The price diff between the ITR and GSR doesn't yield enough of a savings to say that a GSR can out perform a ITR. You'll end up spending more money on the GSR getting it to out perform a ITR.

 

[JayHäss]

This has been debated before. The price diff between the ITR and GSR doesn't yield enough of a savings to say that a GSR can out perform a ITR. You'll end up spending more money on the GSR getting it to out perform a ITR.

Oh no doubt, I'm sure the dollar differnce is not worth it. This came up because a GSR was tested against a Talon TSi and something to the effect of "yea but a type-r would own" came up and I'm just saying they are not THAT much different.

 

[Green Meanie]

I agree. ITR's are good for the money. They aren't quarter mile beasts and contrary to popular belief they can run good with a supercharger or turbo, they just require a little more tuning then normal to not self destruct (But then the same can be said for any car that has a turbo).

Good conversation. I joined a little late.

 

[V8SpankR]

You really gotta like your Type R to make it fast and it will cost some bucks so a deep wallet also helps.
My friend also found out once he installed the new 3 inch Thermal exhaust it rendered the stock stereo useless and told his wife that the $800 he spent on a new head unit and speakers was justified. You should have seen the look on her face when he came home and told her he spent $2k on a supercharger.

 

[Green Meanie]

Its all relative (money spent on going faster).

All my pieces to my turbo kit won't amount to more then 2g's. So for under 13,000 I will have a mid 12 sleeper (Including cost of motr and purchase of car).

Run what ya brung. Doesn't matter how much money you spent. When the green drops the bullshit stops.

 

[Integrity]

You ever hear of subfram connectors? It's done all the time. All you have to get is some chassis stiffening foam and go to town. (If you don't know what it is, do some research. It's an expandable poly foam the fills frame rails, rocker panels etc and can stiffen a chassis by 300%).

Toss in a 4pt cage like you should have when road racing and it becomes almost a moot point.

How much do I know about subframe connectors/foam? Up until I read this: SCC Project Z Not much. So at a cost of 2lbs per cubic feet, you can improve rigidy by 40%? Thats not too bad I suppose, but 300%? I wonder how much that would weigh. Besides, I fail to see how this is a "simple procedure." Perhaps if you payed to have a shop do it, it may be simple for them. Is this a do-it-yourself project you can do in your garage on a sunny weekend? Hell no. So how much will this cost you? What your really saying is, with the right amount of money, you can buy a stiffer chassis. No surprise there. Enough money will get you anything.

Imagine that, a Honda making as much power at 1100rpm as 8500rpm! Damn, that's better than an 03 Cobra!

Why is that so hard to believe? Thats not a stock Honda you're talking about, its a supercharged R. I can only imagine the amount of money the owner of the car put into making that kind of power. Parts, labor, dyno time... it adds up. I'll say it again, with the right amount of money you can buy anything.

Okay, you say so but that's your opinion. I've spent enough time at Limrock to know better.

So all that time at Limerock you were racing your lightly modded GSR against ITRs and handing them all their hats right?

Forget everything I've already stated about the differences and answer me this. If I took a 1995 Eclipse RS and slapped a turbo onto it would it be the same as a GS-T?

So what have we learned here? Money is key. You can take a GSR, drop loads of cash on it, and have it perform like an R. It is not simple, it is not common, and lastly it is not CHEAP. Don't believe me? Read this: Type R vs GSR: Archived at H-T . I took the time to read up on your foaming idea, take a few minutes to hear how GSR owners and R owners compare things. Granted 50% of it is useless posts, but so is 50% of this thread.

 

[Integrity]

=Can someone PLEASE explain the difference between an Integra GSR and an Integra ITR...and how to spot one on the street...HP, 1/4, TQ...

This would be what the whole debate is about Mr. Veritas. According to JayHass, not much. I'm just trying to convince him they are a world apart. To quote Car and Driver:

The engine is similar, but heavily modified from the factory. First, they replaced the GS-Rs twin-runners- per-cylinder intake manifold with a single wide-port version for higher gas velocities, then they dropped in higher-lift, longer-dwell camshafts and lighter, thin-stem valves. They also hand-polished the ports. Did I mention the engine is hand built? It also has stainless-steel exhaust headers that converge toward the collector on the Type R engine and feed into a revised muffler that has slant-cut internal pipes and flared tube ends to increase exhaust-gas flow out of the big-bore tailpipe by 30 percent. The bottom end of the engine benefits from a balanced eight-counterweight crank with trick metallurgy to increase the bend-fatigue limit by 25 percent. Connecting rods are specific to the Type R and are hand-torqued for better quality control. Those flying pistons are molybdenum-coated lightweight die castings that have extra wrist-pin lubrication paths, a new crown shape for a 10.6:1 compression ratio, and deeper valve pockets to accommodate the greater valve excursions.

Then the engineers added a few things they felt were important. An oil cooler, for one, and a limited-slip differential for another. To stiffen the structure, a larger aluminum shock-tower bar replaces the GS-Rs steel unit, two performance rods brace the rear crossmember and tail section, and there is thicker metal at the roof rails, the rear pillars, and the suspension mounting points. Finally, bigger brakes and five-lug wheels with 195/55VR-15 tires were fitted onto a suspension beefed up with higher-rate springs, thicker bars, and more tightly valved shocks. The rear wheels have larger, stiffer bearings for better camber control and are pinned by a stabilizer bar increased in thickness from 13 to 22 millimeters. That put some pounds back on the car, but its still 89 pounds lighter than our last GS-R coupe.

The whole article can be read here:
Car and Driver Road Test Keep in mind though, that the reveiw was of a 1997. There are differences between the 97 and 01's. Although they have the same rated horsepower, the 00 and 01 actually have a little more power.

How to spot one one the street? Easy. That god for saken wing is a dead give away. But to be more exact, the wing, chin spoiler and five lug wheels are the first things to look for. For those that choose to dress up their GSRs to look like Rs, just look at the rear window to see proof. The Type R will have a third brake light in the window, (so does the LS, but thats a different story) a GSR masking to be an ITR will not have this because it's original third brake light was in the spoiler.

 

[V8SpankR]

The Type R also doesn't have the rub strips down the side of the door plus they don't come with sunroofs.

Yep,money is the key to make good power in an R along with dyno time. Fortunatly when it came time for my friend to install his SC we knew some people in our club that all lended a hand and one of them is the head Honda mechanic at one of the local dealerships and to date he's spent $0 on labor with everything installed.

Parts list so far-
Jackson Racing SC@5psi
Jackson Racing Intake
Kamikaze shorty header
Thermal reasearch 3 inch exhaust w/hi flo cat
FPR and resistor box to utilize the 440cc injectors from a 1st gen DSM
Fuel pump
AEM EMS - the final piece of the puzzle as the stock ECU never really liked seeing boost.
Plus the dyno time which is what can get pricey.

Yes,he has spent some bucks but he makes bank and doesn't mind spending more for a unique car made even more unique.

 

[veritas]

This would be what the whole debate is about Mr. Veritas. According to JayHass, not much. I'm just trying to convince him they are a world apart. To quote Car and Driver:

The engine is similar, but heavily modified from the factory. First, they replaced the GS-Rs twin-runners- per-cylinder intake manifold with a single wide-port version for higher gas velocities, then they dropped in higher-lift, longer-dwell camshafts and lighter, thin-stem valves. They also hand-polished the ports. Did I mention the engine is hand built? It also has stainless-steel exhaust headers that converge toward the collector on the Type R engine and feed into a revised muffler that has slant-cut internal pipes and flared tube ends to increase exhaust-gas flow out of the big-bore tailpipe by 30 percent. The bottom end of the engine benefits from a balanced eight-counterweight crank with trick metallurgy to increase the bend-fatigue limit by 25 percent. Connecting rods are specific to the Type R and are hand-torqued for better quality control. Those flying pistons are molybdenum-coated lightweight die castings that have extra wrist-pin lubrication paths, a new crown shape for a 10.6:1 compression ratio, and deeper valve pockets to accommodate the greater valve excursions.

Then the engineers added a few things they felt were important. An oil cooler, for one, and a limited-slip differential for another. To stiffen the structure, a larger aluminum shock-tower bar replaces the GS-Rs steel unit, two performance rods brace the rear crossmember and tail section, and there is thicker metal at the roof rails, the rear pillars, and the suspension mounting points. Finally, bigger brakes and five-lug wheels with 195/55VR-15 tires were fitted onto a suspension beefed up with higher-rate springs, thicker bars, and more tightly valved shocks. The rear wheels have larger, stiffer bearings for better camber control and are pinned by a stabilizer bar increased in thickness from 13 to 22 millimeters. That put some pounds back on the car, but its still 89 pounds lighter than our last GS-R coupe.

The whole article can be read here:
Car and Driver Road Test Keep in mind though, that the reveiw was of a 1997. There are differences between the 97 and 01's. Although they have the same rated horsepower, the 00 and 01 actually have a little more power.

How to spot one one the street? Easy. That god for saken wing is a dead give away. But to be more exact, the wing, chin spoiler and five lug wheels are the first things to look for. For those that choose to dress up their GSRs to look like Rs, just look at the rear window to see proof. The Type R will have a third brake light in the window, (so does the LS, but thats a different story) a GSR masking to be an ITR will not have this because it's original third brake light was in the spoiler.

Integrity, Thanks very much...It would seem like there are some pretty distinct differences between the two...

Again...thanks

 

[Integrity]

Integrity, Thanks very much...It would seem like there are some pretty distinct differences between the two...
Again...thanks

No prob man.... happy hunting!

 

[TurboEclipseGSX]

sorry if im late but i still have this that jay posted a while back on weight reduction done to his car

Here is a run down on the weight reduction in XLS format: http://www.ctwd.net/gsx/weight%20reduction.xls

hope jay doesnt mind

peace

 

[talon167]

bye bye

 

[TurboEclipseGSX]

bye bye

:dunno:

 

[fusion_ta66]

The Integra Type R isn't a bad car for the money. Too bad it's built with the worst possible sports car platform you can have. Front wheel drive with a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. THE WORST. Any fuckin' monkey with half a brain in their head can see that AWD and turbocharged is a much better platform to start from. Case closed.


Joe

PS: V8Spankr you seem to be more zealous in your pro-Honda comments than most that are anti-Honda. Why don't you sell your GSX and get a Honda if they are so great? Yeah, I thought so.