Not to take anything away from my freinds trans am, but he is paying 24, 000 for a 1999 wa6 automatic. I think in a way they are ind over rated.

Well for one, your friend is paying WAYYY too much for a '99 when I bought my '01 SS for $20K... and two, I guarantee that if you raced me from a roll, you wouldn't think they were over-rated. An auto with 2.73s is much weaker running from a roll.

Good kills though. I'm suprised your friend with the JRSC couldn't pull you.

 

good kill..seems like you have a strong running car if you took an ls1

 

Well for one, your friend is paying WAYYY too much for a '99 when I bought my '01 SS for $20K... and two, I guarantee that if you raced me from a roll, you wouldn't think they were over-rated. An auto with 2.73s is much weaker running from a roll.

Good kills though. I'm suprised your friend with the JRSC couldn't pull you.

The Trans AM (esp WS6) is usually more expensive than the Camaro. Kind of like how the Eclipse and Talon are.

 

The Trans AM (esp WS6) is usually more expensive than the Camaro. Kind of like how the Eclipse and Talon are.

Oh I know this, that's why I ended up with the SS as many people here knew I was trying to get a black WS6 but I couldn't afford the extra $3-4K. The way it sounded was that his friend just recently got the car, and if that's the case then he paid too much.

 

My freind did just get the ws6, i dont think that for the money, the ram air is worth it. Bluntdogg, i wouldn't mind going from a roll. Keep in mind im 16, and just started modding, so its not that big of a deal to me if i loose to someone who 1- spent way more than me 2- WAY bigger engine. I do like to beat alot of those people though that dont know how to spend there money. But what is the diff in the ls1 and the ws6? Ive heard that they are the same engine just ram air, diff block, diff heads? And to be truthful i thought both the RSX-s with the JRSC and the ws6 couldnt just walk all over me, but it makes me happy.\
Thanks
Dustin

 

24,000? dayum! good kills!
I dont get the point of those big heavy v8's. Sure you get some easy straight line speed, but for 24 g's you could build yourself one insane gsx. Plus, v8's cant even dream of being a good-handling car (unless maybe vettes, but thats different )

Good kills! Make some videos next time- i'll be happy to host them for you :rudolph:

 

24,000? dayum! good kills!
I dont get the point of those big heavy v8's. Sure you get some easy straight line speed, but for 24 g's you could build yourself one insane gsx. Plus, v8's cant even dream of being a good-handling car (unless maybe vettes, but thats different )

Take it from the guy without a car to make moronic statements. Let me guess, 16 year old who just learned how to drive and has no real car experience, just thinks he does from reading internet forums.

For 24G's you could build just as fast a 5.0 Mustang or LT1 FBody. Hell you could build an insane ANYTHING with that much money to invest. $24,000 for a fairly new car (albeit like I mentioned , he spent too much on that WS6) is not a lot. In case you didn't know, brand new GSX's in '99 were going for more than that.

As for the handling comment, again that's nothing more than a comment from a kid who's never even been behind the wheel of one and is purely bench racing. New F-Bodys pull very respectable numbers on the skid pad and through the cones. And BTW, my heavy V8 only weighs a couple hundred pounds more than my Talon did.

If you're going to make blanket statements, at least have an f'in clue what you're talking about.

 

Bluntdogg, I see what your saying but take it easy on the guy. The majority of V8 cars do weight more than dsms, our cars are pretty heavy for what they are. The new bread of LS1s and such engines are pretty fast from the factory but personally i would still want to take my little bit of money and buy a dsm, spend a little in mods, and run with alot of the big V8s. And granted my friend did pay way to much for his car, but you payed 20gs for yours, and what times are you running? Im sure theres someone on here with less money in there dsm than you have in your camaro and are probaly turning faster or just as fast times. Im not ragging on you or your car by any means, but take it easy when someone makes a blanket comment about those "heavy V8s". There was some logic behind it.

 

Bluntdogg, I see what your saying but take it easy on the guy. The majority of V8 cars do weight more than dsms, our cars are pretty heavy for what they are. The new bread of LS1s and such engines are pretty fast from the factory but personally i would still want to take my little bit of money and buy a dsm, spend a little in mods, and run with alot of the big V8s. And granted my friend did pay way to much for his car, but you payed 20gs for yours, and what times are you running? Im sure theres someone on here with less money in there dsm than you have in your camaro and are probaly turning faster or just as fast times. Im not ragging on you or your car by any means, but take it easy when someone makes a blanket comment about those "heavy V8s". There was some logic behind it.

Why should I take it easy on someone when they make flat-out wrong statements about a car. I've been on this board for 3 years and even when I owned my DSM I still would have called him out. Stereotyping shows a lack of knowledge and is ignorant.

Yeah there sure is a whole bunch of people running faster than me in their DSM for less spent. But what do you expect when comparing a car that is over 10 years old to one that is 2 years old? My car cost $20K, it also only had 28k miles and is almost brand new. 10 years from now, when I can buy a used LS1 for $2-3K, THEN make the comparsion. Or like I already mentioned, compare brand new in '99 when a GSX was the same price as an LS1 and was over a 1 1/2 second slower.

Wanting a nice, NEW car factors into the price. I did not want to buy another old car; speed for as little as invested was not my #1 concern. If you're on a tight budget and want to go fast, go for the DSM... or go for a used 5.0 and run similar times for similar invested. I hate comments like, "yeah your cost so much, I could make my cheaper car faster". It's lame. I could afford something nicer so I chose to do so. You could sure as hell make your DSM a lot faster than a Viper for much less than the $80K it cost for one, but I would still rather have the Viper anyday.

As for the heavy V8 comment... yes is my car heavier, sure. But it's a typical misconception that these are big boats of cars, when the fact is they do not weigh much more than an AWD DSM. A Supra weighs more than my car, but no one says anything about them. A 3000GT VR4, the DSMs big brother per se, weighs alot more than my car; no one says anything about that. I guess it's ok when a Honda guy says, "yeah I don't get the point of those heavy DSMs." See what I'm saying?

It's just annoying when I see sterotyping. I would be acting the same exact way if someone were spreading false info about DSMs on the domestic forum. There are way too many haters out that that have no clue what they're talking about because they are nothing more than bench racers, and it needs to stop.

 

Bluntgogg, I agree with you man. Its stereotyping. True that those cars you listed are heavy, but the reason i was saying take it easy on the guy is hes new(well it says so under his name) and he doesnt even own a dsm. Hes still a rookie( i think) lol. You see man, i wasnt upholding the statement he made, jsut saying take it a little easyer on him.

The reason that stereotyping doesnt make me THAT mad is i live in a ******* town. People with there old camaros that barely run think there fast because they have a Advance Auto Parts chrome filter and a cough exhaust cough( take a haksaw and cut the pipes off af run straight headers). They all see me come by with my "ricer" exhaust and laugh, then i stomp it in second and break it loose in front of them and they shut up. One of the ******** at my school says theres no RICE BURNER in the world that can beat his TA. But yet he wont run me? so i live with it, and decided to try and help people through some of there ignorant comments and be more inlightend the ways of the DSM. Now i have no mercy on the hondas that have big wings and intakes and euros and think there a 10 sec car. For those, its all over.

 

Everyone take a deep breath.

 

An auto with 2.73s is much weaker running from a roll.

Actually its reverse a car with a 2.73 is weak out of the hole but VERY strong up top. Just an FYI to another F-body owner.

 

Oh I know this, that's why I ended up with the SS as many people here knew I was trying to get a black WS6 but I couldn't afford the extra $3-4K. The way it sounded was that his friend just recently got the car, and if that's the case then he paid too much.

Oh yes, I remember those days. I'd love to have one but I might have to end up with a LT1 Z28.

 

You'd be suprised how cheap '98-99 Z28s are getting now. I'm seeing plenty right around 10K with pretty low mileage.

DANS, I'm just going off of what I hear from a lot of other LS1 owners with 2.73s... when running from a roll, the auto has a tendency to hit a lot of dead-spots where it doesn't downshift and you're not really going anywhere; by the time you reach the real powerband it's usually too late.

 

24,000? dayum! good kills!
I dont get the point of those big heavy v8's. Sure you get some easy straight line speed, but for 24 g's you could build yourself one insane gsx. Plus, v8's cant even dream of being a good-handling car (unless maybe vettes, but thats different )

Good kills! Make some videos next time- i'll be happy to host them for you :rudolph:

Your ARE joking, right?!?!?

 

You'd be suprised how cheap '98-99 Z28s are getting now. I'm seeing plenty right around 10K with pretty low mileage.

DANS, I'm just going off of what I hear from a lot of other LS1 owners with 2.73s... when running from a roll, the auto has a tendency to hit a lot of dead-spots where it doesn't downshift and you're not really going anywhere; by the time you reach the real powerband it's usually too late.

If it don't wanna downshift, you just pull that shifter down and it will.

 

You'd be suprised how cheap '98-99 Z28s are getting now. I'm seeing plenty right around 10K with pretty low mileage.

DANS, I'm just going off of what I hear from a lot of other LS1 owners with 2.73s... when running from a roll, the auto has a tendency to hit a lot of dead-spots where it doesn't downshift and you're not really going anywhere; by the time you reach the real powerband it's usually too late.

I know what you mean.. A buddy of mine would drop off he's powerband when it shifted in higher gears from a roll.. He fixed the problem by raising the shift points with LS1 edit. I'd say a 99 z28 with a nice heads, and cam package can whoop some major butt, and still be very reliable, and probably more so then a DSM. They really don't handle that bad either, but they're bigger, and feel different. My buddy with he's simple, cam, headers, and cutout ran low 12s @ 112mph. That was full weight too.

Dustin, nice kill. I modded a 2g GST with just a big 16G, turbo back, AFC, and 550s. It ran a very traction limited 13.9 @ 105mph on pump gas. That was only with the stock smic, and 16psi. I'm sure your supra SMIC has helped a lot.
Nice kill.. GSTs are awsome from a roll ..

 

You'd be suprised how cheap '98-99 Z28s are getting now. I'm seeing plenty right around 10K with pretty low mileage.

DANS, I'm just going off of what I hear from a lot of other LS1 owners with 2.73s... when running from a roll, the auto has a tendency to hit a lot of dead-spots where it doesn't downshift and you're not really going anywhere; by the time you reach the real powerband it's usually too late.

Bluntdogg, thats cool just giving a FYI. A lot of people have this misperception that 2.73's from a roll kind of just suck. In all actuality they perform great. They dont have a tall enough gear to dig from a hole but, topend they catch up damn quick. I have 3.23's and have mph problems where I cant go from a mid-mph roll. I do decimate from a whole shot though. To address that downshift problem maybe they should try racing in 3rd instead of D. I dont know though a shift kit will help alot.

 

nano, thanks man, yeah i agree GSTs are awesome froma roll, I only wish i could launch better. Went through the stock clutch in a week, took it to the shop and they replaced it. And geuss what, OEM replacement come to find out to so its about time for the ACT 2600.

Just a after thought, to everyone who drives a DSM, isnt it the best feeling in the word when someone is ragging on your car saying there car will kill yours just becuase they have 3 more liters. Then you kick there a*s, the look on there face. I just think the look on there face gaves me the best feeling in the world