That's not such a bad idea. I actually want to try that sometime, maybe just set the boost controler to leave the wastegate open all the time and see how high I can get the N2O.

 

i'm a stupid newbie, whats the difference between the turbo and non-turbo block?

 

In 2G's the NT cars had completely different engines. All 1Gs and Turbo 2G's used Mitsubishi 4G63 engines, while the 2G NTs used Chrysler 420a's (same engine as in the neon and other 4cyl "sporty" chrysler cars) I'm not sure on the exact details of the NT 4G63's but usually N/A engines have a higher compression ratio, due to different shaped pistons and they also have different camshaft specs.

 

Oh Boy

1G.... Turbo or NT the "Block" is the Same and has nothing to do with the compression ratio. The Compression Ratio is determined by the piston itself (yes the NT has a higher compression ratio). Hey while your taking the turbo off why dont you just remove two pistons?? Because we all know that pistons # 3 and 4 are bullet proof. Your idea is @$$ backwards

 

Oh Boy is right...

Hey while your taking the turbo off why dont you just remove two pistons?? Because we all know that pistons # 3 and 4 are bullet proof. Your idea is @$$ backwards

Yes, it is a$$ backwards, that's why it's just AN IDEA! Don't get your boxers all knotted up about it...

But anyways, I guess taking the turbo off would be like defacing the Holy Cross to some people. They just can't think outside of the line I guess?...

Oh wells...

 

All 1Gs and Turbo 2G's used Mitsubishi 4G63

uhm NO. Not ALL 1G's have the same engine. some NT's were
1.8 L engines. Sohc too i belive.

 

Re: Oh Boy is right...

Yes, it is a$$ backwards, that's why it's just AN IDEA! Don't get your boxers all knotted up about it...

But anyways, I guess taking the turbo off would be like defacing the Holy Cross to some people. They just can't think outside of the line I guess?...

Oh wells...

I'm not getting my boxers in a bunch . I was just pointing out that your idea makes no sense at all! Now hurry along and take your turbo off.

 

Chill dudes. It's an idea. No biggie. Turbos are still better. Once you get the power, you have it, vs use it and it's gone till you buy more...

 

Re: Re: Oh Boy is right...

I was just pointing out that your idea makes no sense at all! Now hurry along and take your turbo off.

Did I even say that I was going to take my turbo off? What part of my post don't you understand? This was a hypothetical question. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously. But obviously someone has.

Anyways, the whole point of the post was to try a new idea.

 

And honestly its not really that bad of an idea. You are right, the block has nothing to do with compression, that was my mistake. I gave the main differences between the whole engines, excuse me. Nitrous would produce more boost than a turbo because of the intercooling effect, you would sorta save some weight from the intercooler and turbo (very little yes, but some anyway) And using an AWD car would have two purposes, one is that the engine is designed to handle boost, stronger, and the second is to retain AWD. I don't see what's so wrong about this. Anyone care to enlighten me?

 

Oh, and as far as the base 1.8L SOHC engines go, I didn't mention those cuz I highly doubt anyone that wants to get any sort of performance out of their car would buy one. My '94 escort makes more power than those.

 

Easy Boy

Did I even say that I was going to take my turbo off? What part of my post don't you understand? This was a hypothetical question. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously. But obviously someone has.

Anyways, the whole point of the post was to try a new idea.

Yo, someone is over sensitive!

Don't expect to post crappy ideas here, ask for comments and then get pissed when someone doesn't like it. "Hypothetical" or not, I don't like your idea so deal with it. Oh, by the way, I am being sarcastic if you couldn't tell.

 

Hold up a min here. I'm not pissed off cuz you don't like the idea. I could care less of what you think. It's just your attitude I don't like. If you don't like it, just say so. Don't have to be sarcastic or a b*tch about it. Thank you.

 

Well, if you wanted to go psycopathic, I mean, totally psyco here- Tap the MAF lines to the ECU, tap the o2 lines, and some various other sensors. Now pull the turbo and intercooler, replace with NT pipes and exaust headers (ported to all hell) and hook up a tap to the throttle body and a valve to the intake. In theory you could tap the MAF lines with a computer controlled nitrous setup like NOS has, and then give the ECU the MAF values that it wants, with the throttle body open, but intake closed, so your engine could breathe entire nitrous oxide, and the MAF would simply tell it how much is there. You could spray so much in that you could actually create the pressure by spraying so much in at a constant rate. With tuning you could get insane amounts of power. However you'll probably run dead lean and blow up your engine, and you'd go through a 20lb nitrous bottle in just over 1/2 mile of running, but for that half mile, if tuned properly, you cant deny the potential for destroying your block. I mean, it'd never work, but the idea is hysterical. You could get quite a few hundred happy horses, and your intake temps would be pretty cool if you did it properly. Granted you'd also need larger then like 800cc injectors...

 

Hold up a min here. I'm not pissed off cuz you don't like the idea. I could care less of what you think. It's just your attitude I don't like. If you don't like it, just say so. Don't have to be sarcastic or a b*tch about it. Thank you.

Listen Newbie.. don't come in here callin me a bitch. If you don't like my attitude.... to freekin bad! What are you my Father or something??? WTF???!!! I never insuleted you.. I just said you idea sucks! You are the one callin names, what is this high school????


DSM_RCR, I'm not gonna get into an online pissing match with you

I'm a little to old for that. So have a nice day!!



[Edited by Dsmman on 08-02-2001 at 11:04 AM]

 

It would be interesting to see what one could do with a 4G63 dedicated to nitrous on AWD. I'm sure plenty of people would be curious about the eventual results. Also be interesting to see how long the internals last like that.

 

When the bottle runs out and with the drivetrain loss, you'd be probably putting out a whopping 75 HP. Ummmm, not to good of an idea. Later,
Tom

 

I always thought that if you didnt have a good set of aftermarket pistons/rings that the NOS would eat the shit out of your rings...isnt this true?

 

have you ever looked at the DSM track times website. Yea... the N/A NOS DSMs do HORRIBLE. (i know your talking about AWD, but you would think even with FWD they'd get some decent times) And it looks real bad when you call a senior dsmer names on your 3-4th post.

 

I hope you girls can go back to posting sensibly instead of cat fighting !

You both look ridiculous !

 

look here (_(_) head. don't you be dis'n others here.. this isn't bash DSM drivers forum. this is where you post your ideas and questions. Some ideas ARE stupid.. some people don't know much about the workings of an engine and drivetrain. you don't bash them OK? you help them understand. thats WHY we're here. we're here to HELP each other not kick them. you want to bash DSMers then you go join the Honda club ok? NOT everyone has time to read all the books and become a mechanic. BUT they like to do things on their own and justwant a little help and guidence.. the guy simply posted an idea wanted to knwo what we all thought and turns out the idea althogh it had good intentions simply won't work. and this is why A Turbo has a poorer compression that an NT, the car WON'T put out as much HP as he thinks. a TURBO is a better way to go. and you can ADD Nitrous on with a turbo. Also and AWD has much more drag on it. it isn't fast because of that. and making it an NT will just make it that much worse.

The idea wont work thats all you have to say to the gu he'll be ok he'll come up with another idea. This Name calling isn't GIRLISH! it's Childish. Immature. And if you want to do it that way then you don't belong writing in here.

NOW ALL OF YOU! STAND IN A CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE!!!

ok i'm done

 

Hehe My boy Raven!

As usual I agree with Raven.... This is not the way to act on DSMtalk. **Sorry Daddy**

DSM_RCR, Sometimes we joke and mess with each other on DSMtalk. Just being a little Sarcastic.. no harm intended

Kevin Jones, Listen. Bring that 11 sec. car over here **Cough cough, Bullsh*t** I'll show you a Girl! Now aren't you needed someware else, to break up fights on the internet??? Go!! Go!! the people of the world need you!!!!!

 

in theory it sounds like a good idea, but if you look into it a little more its not that good of an idea. have you ever seen a turbo car without its turbo try to drive? not pretty at all, nitrous is cool if you got the turbo on. We all should be like a big happy dsm family and not fight with each other. CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??

 

Dude screw all of that I say we go nitromethane and crank up some REAL boost

 

Re: Hehe My boy Raven!

Kevin Jones, Listen. Bring that 11 sec. car over here **Cough cough, Bullsh*t** I'll show you a Girl! Now aren't you needed someware else, to break up fights on the internet??? Go!! Go!! the people of the world need you!!!!!

At least he was trying to prevent you guys from fighting. I do have to agree with you on the 11 sec. bullsh*t thing though, Dsmman. I want to see some timeslips here Mr. Kevin Jones!


P.S. Like the sig pic Dsmman.