Please read rule 7.

Aside from that best advice I can give is that if you really want to make THAT car fast it can be done but it will cost far far far more than selling your car and buying an already turbo one.

 

Well if you're going to turbo it later on, then you would be wasting your money by getting the intake. Get a good catback exhaust and a test pipe. What are your power goals for the car when you turbo it? This will all be really expensive to do even if you are doing all the work yourself. I looked into doing it on my old 95 GS and quickly realized I would run out of funds before I even got to throw any necessary parts to turbo it.

 

OK read rule 7, what i do wrong?? My bad with watever it was and I relize every person is gunna say buy gst or gsx thought that was rule not to post that as a responce but ok. Im not looking for a 10sec car, this my first car and im using it as a learning experience so please if anyone has any helping information on how i can get increase in hp with basic stuff before i touch my engine it would be great!

 

Sell that car and buy a REAL turbo car, by the time you have a turbo on that car you'll be lucky if it is even as fast as a stock turbo DSM..

 

Just want a fairly fast car not looking to be a speed race but enough to show i got a lil sum sum to back up, turboing it will be in long run but i just want to get sum basic boost in hp for right now before i save up for performance rebuild on my engine. This is just my learning experience car so im going to just mess around with it so i get hang of what im doing and then i will upgrade to a different car.

 

You will never be able to make a 420 eclipse even decently fast without blowing a ton of money on it. They are complete TURDS.

 

You have to know that we're not trying to discourage you by any means, we're just trying to save you money. Half of the guys here are experts on money pits lol. They know what works and what doesn't. If you want a good daily driver to get good gas mileage with, keep this car. But if you are looking for speed, then the cheaper option really would be to buy an already turbocharged car. That's what I did and couldn't be happier.

 

I feel u, Im not gunna sell car n buy turbo i know its smart idea to do but i got this car atm and id like to just stick with it and mess around with it alittle before i jump to gst or gsx u get what im saying?? Idc bout money just learning experience id love to just say yea i got a turbo gs. If anyone has any advice on what to start geting for sum boost in hp would be great

 

Crash it, Sell it, burn it, eat it, drown it. In no particular order.

 

If you're really adamant about doing the turbo project, then here's a link from Tuners.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/181134-how-build-420a-stage-2-turbo-kit-under-1000-a.html

That should help you a lot for your build. You can run about 8psi on stock internals which is what that guy was doing.

 

Do what you will my man, but You should seriously consider what your getting into. Sure Go ahead and learn on this car. Just don't rig it up. If you want to do some small modding, do some research. Then you can decide what is best for you and your car. I drive a N/T, and of all the I WANNA TURBO post's out there, I look at, but don't think "damn that must be worth it if him and the next guy did it". Because I know I'd rather have a 1st gen or anything with 4G63 in it for that matter, then drive my N/T to death.

What we are all saying here. Just take time, think, & treat the car how it should be treated. Go for a lowering kit & maybe paint your stocker rims.

Your just gonna like it when you look back, realize the guys telling you this, more importantly those above. Are right, They ARE EXPERT's on money pits. DSM's are not cheap to find, but that doesn't mean you pull them outta fast and furious and your set.

Do research, and then PLEASE buddy, Maintenance Maintenance Maintenance.

Do not drive your car to the ground, Make It Last, Make it look good, take time and you will not regret your decisions.


I hope this is an Example for others who, KNOW, die-hard, that its worth it to turbo your N/T, when in all reality, we all agree its not, but some fail to learn.

 

2ndgen is right. I had a 97gs - the 1st, last and only GS I will ever own, and I sold it because it cost too much to make it fast.

If you keep it, you will have a nice daily driver (which is a good idea when you have a turbo DSM your building up) and you can save for that 4g63 plus parts. It might take a little bit longer, but it is worth the wait.

Trust me, from experience, wait just a little bit and it will pay off.

 

If money is no problem and you go standalone you can very easily turbo your 420a. Listen guys, I hate the 420A with a passion, its not DSM, its Chrysler pos, but any engine can be built from the inside out. Now anyone that says run 8 lbs with stock injectors will need to be smacked because thats all these 420a guys say.

Anyways, to build it right, start with forged rods, arp bottom end, 8.5-1 or so pistons, port and polish the head, get at least 450cc injectors, make sure they are high impedance injectors since thats what you have and that way you don't need a resistor pack, slap a turbo and manifold on, and find a very good way to tune, and you have a 420a beast.

I wouldn't do it since parts are too crazy in price for Hahns shit, but yeah.

 

If money is no object, buy a fast car and don't bother with the 420a.

 

First things first, we need to know your end goal. And do not just say a fast car, since your 420a will NEVER hit a 8sec quarter mile as there are DSM's that do it. Your opinion of fast and those of members on a DSM forum are VERY different. We have higher standards here.

As for your HP goals, I can safely tell you right now, that unless you plan on spending well over $1,000 you will not make any more than a 20hp gain on your car. The only chance you have is to throw some nitrous at it, and that is obviously the dumbest thing you could do at this point.

So my final question, are you willing to spend over $1,000 right now on strictly performance items?

 

If he has the gs its not a 420a its a 4g63 isn't it? I always thought the rs was the 420a and they eliminated the 1.8 from the 1st gen. Anyway, listen to everyone else, Keep the car you have as a dd. Make it a dependable one if you can. Since you are a learner, I wouldn't plan on being able to do half of the shit these people say without taking a couple days. Experience will make your car easier to work on, and by getting a gst or x you'll be able to get all of it you need, and also have a dd that is reliable. Look into how you can make your current car super reliable, and squeeze the most power out of it you can. Clean the thing up, paint it, tint it, fix any flaws, and put a sound system in it. For me, I enjoy having a nice sound system. Cops can stop you for speed, but they can't for listening to good music.

 

To clarify RS and GS use the 420a similar to that of a Dodge Neon R/T i.e. slow and not built for performance
GST and GSX use the 4G63-Turbo.
*This concerns 2Gs only(95-99)

Don't let the GS throw you off. Its related to the turbo models in looks only.

 

I'm always against people bashing for a simple few mods on a n/t daily beater, BUT taking a n/t to a turbo is just non-sense. I always defend a 420a owner when putting on a decent sized exhaust for a tiny looks upgrade and some meat in the sound department, but you have to read what your saying.

"I feel u, Im not gunna sell car n buy turbo i know its smart idea to do but i got this car atm and id like to just stick with it and mess around with it alittle before i jump to gst or gsx u get what im saying?? Idc bout money just learning experience id love to just say yea i got a turbo gs. If anyone has any advice on what to start geting for sum boost in hp would be great"

First off we are not you little friends txting back and forth, this is a forum with rules. READ RULE #7.

Secondly, why would you spend about $2,500-$3,000 building it right, when you could find a decent gsx,gst,tsi that needs some work for about $2,500-$5,000. OR in my area there are some pre modded dsms with blown motors for cheap if your into rebuilding engines and such.

 

There is literally a post like this every other day. 420As are good to mess around with. For example my 97 RS is my first car. I wasn't sure I could afford the insurance on a turbo model and frankly I probably couldn't handle the DSM Bewst haha. Anyway I'm just fine with how fast my car goes right now and its reassuring that when I'm out of collage and I hopefully have a decent job I can explore all the fun of the turbo models(and hopefully an EVO after that). Point is enjoy your 420a for all its worth but when it comes down to it its powered by a dodge Neon motor and is probably not worth dumping $5,000 into. But to each his own I guess ...

 

Intake, exhaust (header back), bigger throttle body, msd ignition (or similar), and a small shot of nitrous (maybe a 50 or 75 shot at most).


you will end up with good mpg's and a fun car to drive.

 

here's a newb question but what is a msd ignition and a bigger throttle body and how are they going to help? Also what kind of price are we talking?

 

Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance!! Then just accept that it's a nice DD and do the fiscally responsible thing and put the extra cash in savings for a turbo down the road.

 

look if your going to turbo a 420a engine its not going to be for speed but just for props for doing it yeah it would be cool but costs a ton of money more than it would for a 4g63. in my 420a rs i have headers, turbo back exhaust, and an intake and its my dd but still never as quick as a 4g63

 

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You've got a turbo-back on your stroker?


@FormulaDz92: With a bigger throttle body the engine can suck in more air.
I plan to change my spark plug wires and coil pack and wanna pick the MSD-ones. They look good, nothing else. There is also a full optimized ignition system by msd, but it's way too overpriced.

@OP: Don't try to turbo your 420a. I wanted it, too, but it's complete non-sense. I just installed a used DC-header and a K&N plate filter and I'm happy with it. The only good thing from that engine is its sound. When I wanna go fast, I won't pick my DSM

 

Ok this sounds like my plans. Exhaust(Megan), header(DC), Injen CAI, Tokiko HP Shocks, and some eibach prokits for a 1.5-2 inch drop(hopefully). Nothing else. I want a looker, not a fighter. Hopefully I can transfer the asthetic stuff + the shocks over to a GST down the road. Maybe the exhaust too...

 

Keep it for a DD with a 420a all your gonna get is a dreaded ricer. The 420a eclipse was built as the economic version. Looks and no performance trust me I had a 1996 GS was my first car thought I could beat anything on the road. Had 2" exhaust was lowered had Air intake you name it I would blow my money on this car to make it faster or better. Well all of that ended for me one day when I drove my friends GSX. And in the same week had a guy race me on the interstate in a HONDA Odyssey MINI VAN. And I lost by 4 cars and was very very upset. That done it in for me right there I kept it and started looking for my GS-T and then sold the GS. Only way your gonna get any performance out of the 420a is to build it. And your looking at a lot of money by the time you spend all the money to get it almost as fast as stock Turbo. You could have a very nice GSX or GST with a lot more than just a intake and some exhaust. My advice is to save your self the heart ache and the hurt wallet and buy a 4G63 and ditch the 420a. Now don't get me wrong there is a lot of very nice eclipses with 420a turbo setups that have some nice HP. But unless your looking to spend 10grand It's just not worth it.