Ok, I found a basic list of what all is needed, but still need something more exact. Here is where I'm gonna get started...
http://www.hondacivicforum.com/m_400322/tm.htm

 

Homemadeturbo.com will become your best friend. Also search honda-tech.com. The list will be pretty much what it would be on a dsm for the most part. Tuning is going to be essential with any open-deck motor, I would run hondata of some sort but there are free program such as chrome and neptune.

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the stock 14bs are too small for a b16 even though its only a 1.6L (at least i think so). stock they rev up to 8900 rpms or so and the 14bs will chock up top where b16s make all their power.

 

the stock 14bs are too small for a b16 even though its only a 1.6L (at least i think so). stock they rev up to 8900 rpms or so and the 14bs will chock up top where b16s make all their power.

That is wrong info. I have done hondas with DSM setup alot of people have. They do just fine aslong as the tune is right. Stock b16a rev to 8200. Only honda's that rev to 9K from the factory are type R's. I have a friend on a stock D15 91 honda hatch on a 14B with a tune and 1G BOV. He is still running and it runs really strong on stock wastegate at about 9PSI.

 

actually 14bs are GREAT for d15s and d16s and b18 none vtecs. my bad with the 8900 revs info though. but i havent meet anyone a single person that has liked a 14b on their b16, b18c1, b18c5, or h22. it can definitely be done but their are better suited turbos for those cars. i have run a 14b on a b18 non vtec and a h22. WAAAYYY too small for the h22 but i liked it on my b18.

 

It really isnt the fact that its there to make great power. People use the DSM style setup on hondas cause they are so cheap to aquire. U have alot of stuff off a DSM you can use and everyone know about it. Fuel injectors can be used sidemount most piping can be used and the stock turbos also. I have seen many on a B18 LS motor. Ls motor hold boost great on stock internals as long as the tune is good. Most people just buy a turbo kit when they are with a b series. I have seen a couple of B series motors running DSM setups. But most people just break down and buy a kit from some company.

 

There were 3 cars I remember on honda-tech that did 4g63 swaps..1 red eg that was for sale like 3 years back but you can still access the thread. a black eg that was on ebay and a blue 4dr eg that did a full 1g swap with awd but he listed the full write up with pics but this was back in 02/03 I'm not sure how far back there threads last for because I know some sites delete their archieves for bandwith purposes.

 

Posted a similar thread on Honda-Tech, and it seems like they all hate the T-25 idea, with most of them saying that a T28/T3/20g would possibly be the best combo. Still trying to look up aproximate costs, not finding too much though.

 

I've ran a TON of dsm turbos on hondas and generally for a stock d16/b16, I would say that a 14B is a great choice. You can't really push a stock D series past about 220 whp (doesnt matter on the turbo/psi/or anything other than tuning, the rods can't handle past that point and i've proven that MANY times) and the daily driven B16 shouldn't be much past 300, if at all.

As for your friends car, I will say this: 195 whp is ALOT out of a b16, honestly way too much for a stock internal b16. They have been pushed that high before but that usually entails higher comp pistons and head work, even ITR C5 motors dont do much better than 180 or so with bolt ons. For a low displacement B16 to pull a number like that, either the previous owner lied or its been built to a status that you wouldn't want to boost , ie high compression. Try to learn more about the motor before boosting it, if it is actually a 195 whp b16 then I would drive it and enjoy for now, maybe buy another block to build and boost.

As a side note, read up on:

honda-tech
Club-si (everyone runs B16s so boosted B16 info is great here)
Tuner Toys (they sell alot of products for D16s, I ran their rods for a long time with great success)
Turbod16

Hope that helps!

 

Before he said it ^^^ I was about to tell you:

195whp out of a bolt on B16...I don't think so, that's K-series territory.

 

His previous owner had it reinforced, the whole forged pistons and what not out of it. I still don't kow the exact specs, but from what I am hearing, I'm going to ask him if I can take a look at the dyno sheet. I know for a fact though, that the internals are NOT stock.

 

Is it still a pump gas motor? I ran a mildly built C1 and I couldnt get it to stop knocking for crap, even on michigan's 93 octane so I always ran a 100/93 mix. Keep in mind that my motor was built with ITBs in mind, had over 20 hours of tuning in it, and even that motor only made 232whp. This was a B20vtec with the gsr head, b20 (crv) block punched out to 2.1L, full skunk2 valvetrain, full port/polish on head, high comp, etc. If you have a 1.6L making close to 200whp, it HAS to be running at least somewhat increased compression because i've never heard of a stock comp b16 making it close to 200whp and i've been building honda motors for 5 years now. If it really is making that much power, I would most likely yank the motor and try to sell it. Replace with a stock LS motor (cheap, reliable, and very boost friendly) and mate it to your b16 tranny. Even at 10 psi on a rather small T3, my old EK hatch went 12.7 reliably every weekend for close to two years. If you really want to keep a vtec head, I would suggest either stepping up to a C1 or doing a low boost b20vtec. I ran a b20vtec in my EF wagon for a while and it was amazing, even naturally aspirated.

Even the K series don't dyno close to 200 stock, it takes an intake/exhaust/raceheader and reflash to get a K20A2 in the 200hp range. You can get a K20A there a bit easier but even those need work. Honestly, I would either not mess with the B16 too much but if your friend is dead set on boost, I would start with a new motor because you don't want to boost on a motor that you are unfamiliar with. If everything the previous owner said to you is true, strapping a turbo onto that block can be a VERY expensive mistake.

 

200+ whp is easy on a K-series. I had a k24a1/k20z3 frankenstein in my ep3 and i hit 240 whp and 183 wtq at 7600 rpm on a stock block and stock z3 head. Only mods where rbc intake mani, jackson racing race header, k&n short ram, and full 2 3/4 inch exhaust. Tuning took about 3 hours and it was tuned on Kpro.

 

^Yes, in a K series ONLY. Especially considering you were running a 2.4L with the z3 head, it's not surprising that you got above 200whp mark. As i said, intake/rh/exhaust/reflash is all that's needed for a K series, especially any K24 frankenstein or a straight K20A. On a B16 however, that's very unlikely.

 

Thats true B16's need a LOT of help to make it above 200 whp n/a

 

stock compression on a b16 is about 10.1 to 1. if hes putting down close to 200whp, hes definitely got higher compression pistons. stock b16s dyno around 140whp and an exhaust and intake definitely wont make up that difference between 140 and 195whp.

 

ok, so now we're all repeating the same thing. Moral of the story: Don't boost this motor until you find out some definit info on it. My guess is that either it's not putting down the claimed horsepower or that it's a stroked, high comp N/A motor, at which point putting a turbo on it is probably the worst idea this side of visiting a philipino whore house without a condom.

Secondly, dsm turbos (well, at least the 14b/16g) are very well suited for a powerful, fun daily driven stock block honda. T25 is an ok to good choice for a D series only but on a B16/B18 C1/C5 (don't turbo C5s, it's not worth the money that those motors cost) you want to step up to a 14b or a 16g, based on your power goals. Personally, I would run a medium sized Garrett T3/T4, you'll spool later but they're a ton of fun. If you have any questions, feel free to post up or PM me, I can try to help out the best that I can.

 

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6a2bc2dc-1cdb-4763-8f21-99e800b80a2b.htm

To give an Idea, this was a kid I went to school with at UNOH in Lima, OH.

 

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6a2bc2dc-1cdb-4763-8f21-99e800b80a2b.htm

To give an Idea, this was a kid I went to school with at UNOH in Lima, OH.

geeze my videos are getting everywhere these days