Good question.

I'm sure the answer boils down to a very simple "it was cheaper at the time(lower inital cost and lower insurance rates), looked really nice, and at the time, I wasn't realy into performance." (many will answer in that fashion)

At the time, I really wasn't into car performance at all. After that, I, of course, got into it and after it's all been said and done, I'm happy with my decision and how it all turned out. I know I'll never launch as well as an AWD, but that's alright, I'm not really a drag racer. However, I do love the great looks of my car and it does handle very nicely and with the turbo, can really move.

I could go on about why I think this particular model DSM (420a) is the best overall balance in the looks, performance, and reliability, but it would all be opinion.

I think once you learn more about our particular car and its not-so-obvious and subtle advantages, the more you might ask a similar question to someone who would buy a car with questionable looks, tranny and handling such as a 1g and very questionable reliability with a 2g (4g63)....it's all from your own point of view. =-)

[Edited by Jason ESi-T on 04-24-2001 at 11:20 AM]

 

i'm converting mine for the challenge. plain and simple

when i'm done with this project i'm going to either build a streetable geo metro awd turbo 4G63 (don't laugh, it should run 9's, anyone wanna see a 4wd burnout? hehe) or i will buy a tsi awd and build that up as a street car.

I do this impossible shit because I believe it can be done, regardless of the performance gains. tell me something, would you NOT stop by my car @ the car show at the shootout to see a turbo'd NT with stock internals? I think you would would you not be like "sweet!" when you see my NT boosting down the 1/4 running high 13's? (hopefully, not sure yet) of course you would. That's why. Because most people discount the idea before it's even been proven wrong. In my case, this will be a reliable and cost effective conversion which will turn numbers much like a GST would, it may be the half assed way to do it. But I learned enough out of this to prepare myself to be able to build a good tsi awd or my metro project (future, maybe) without thinking twice, which is why i am doing it and why I love NT's

anyways, the NT is stilla great car, and can be as reliable as a *cough* honda or toyota if you treat it right

 

I bought my car b/c it was everything that I wanted minus the turbo. THat really didn't metter though, at the time I was just happy to have a nice car. My previous ride (1st car) was a 1986 Pontiac Firebird 6cyl. auto, so you can see why I would be overjoyed to own my car.

 

I feel for you on the Pontiac Firechicken. I once drove a painted blue 1973 postal Jeep. It looked like crap but it was quick believe it or not. lots of torque right off idle..it could damn near pull a small wheelie. To get out of that car I purchased a new 1989 Civic DX and put a jackson racing muffler on it. Slow but it sounded and felt fast plus it looked good. I had a lot of fun driving it. I guess thats whats really important.... the enjoyment factor.

 

Because 2nd Generation turbo DSMs are the worst cars ever made, and Mitsubishi is a corporation without a conscience.

 

I think once you learn more about our particular car and its not-so-obvious and subtle advantages, the more you might ask a similar question to someone who would buy a car with questionable looks, tranny and handling such as a 1g and very questionable reliability with a 2g (4g63)....it's all from your own point of view. =-)

[Edited by Jason ESi-T on 04-24-2001 at 11:20 AM]

Very, very well said.

 

Yo, Pac.. What happened?

Pac, what went wrong with your 2G that makes you hate it so? Everyone I know with a 2G is very happy with it. But they are all 97s and up 2Gs. Is there a difference? Oh and I would change your signature if you ever hope to sell your car.

 

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Originally Posted by dsm93talon

I do this impossible shit because I believe it can be done

How about a 1.8L Automatic Turbo Kit

-Ghoste

 

Re: Yo, Pac.. What happened?

Pac, what went wrong with your 2G that makes you hate it so? Everyone I know with a 2G is very happy with it. But they are all 97s and up 2Gs. Is there a difference? Oh and I would change your signature if you ever hope to sell your car.

I've never known anyone that used to own a 2nd gen DSM turbo that looked back fondly on it. Here's the most current running repairs, sure there will be more tomorrow.
Oh, and I've owned it nine months and its been in the shop a total of 6 weeks.
Here:

Control arm broke, snapped ball joint, and slammed wheel into fender well causing body damage, $1200
2 O2 sensors
Idle speed controller
2 timing belts
water pump
all 4 struts
valve cover
valve cover gasket
thrust bearing
crankshaft
hood sensor
door lock
sun roof
2 front main seals
slave cylinder
1st&3rd gear synchros
fuel injector
its in the shop again for the ball joint, maybe a starter

I'm getting an Acura.

 

I see your point. Nothing can change your opinion of a car than breaking stuff and frustration. If you get a GS-R, I'll bet after about a month you will be longing for the low end grunt of your GS-T. I was stuck with my friends GS-R for a month while my car was having some performance work done. At first it was fun, the car was much lighter and slightly more nimble than mine and the sound it made revving to 8500RPM was the sh-t. After a week or so of around town driving I got tired of getting trounsed by soccer moms with a caravan full of kids cause I short shifted from 1st to 2nd and got caught with the revs down below 4000RPM. I longed for the torque of my DSM. Just hope you know what your doing.

 

my dad had goteen a 98 talon tsi that spring. and i was sick and tired of my dented ass s10. we got a new used dealer in town and one of the first cars on the lot was a used 92 talon nt. went checked it out and loved it. it had some problems though so i told him if he could get one in better condition that he'd have himself a sale.

a month later my car showed up on the lot. drove it, loved it, and a month later my mom got it for me for a birthday present. she spoiled the hell out of me and continues to pay the insurance on it. i pay for all the modifications and stuff though.

the insurance is nice and cheap on it too. plus after i hook up my nitrous and spend a little more money on the suspension i should be able to easily outperform any stock turbo fwd.

 

My previous car was a chevy Beretta V6 POS.
I have always loved the talons and saw our 91 laser RS for sale at the same lot that we were test driving new cars at.
the new cars were a cavalier z22 and a Honda Civic si
The laser was MINT and also faster more powerful nicer inside then both of the new cars and my old POS.
I had full documentation of the previous maintenance and was impressed to see they changed the synthetic oil every 6000km .
It was a 1 owner 23 year old girl,who traded it in on a slower more lady like car (oldsmobile).
The price tag was $5900 and I suckerd him down to $3900 kinda as a joke at first.The wife loved it as well except for the stock stereo.
I got $500 for the beretta and drove the Laser home the next day.
Even with all the miles on that little car (235,000)it still will our run most 4 and 6 cylinder cars.

To sum it all up I got a great lookin, more powerful than my prevois car,cheap ,low miles,and it has been very reliable.

 

cuz

I got a NT because at the time i didnt know anything about DSMs. I didnt even kow there was a turbo DSM. I wasnt even lookin for one. I was actually lookin for a civic or camaro. Something that i have seen go fast (or look fast). Then i came across my Laser. Its as basic as they come. The way i look at it that everything that i fix on this car ill know how to do it on my Turbo car that i will get next. If i had know what i know now then i would have gotten a Turbo. But i didnt. I still like my car. Plus its paid off!!!


Jesse

 

I drove a 1985 Chevy Celebrity Eurosport station wagon in a heavily oxidized purple color. Not exactly good for impressing girls. I was going to buy a 1993 Dodge Stealth R/T, but couldn't get financed for a $10000 car. I saw a 90 Eagle Talon in the corner of the lot looking all sad, and decided to get it instead. I figured (wrongly, but I'm doing it anyway) it'd be easy enough to swap engines and all with a turbo, and keep the low insurance rates. Plus chicks dig my car now so I'm happy

[Edited by colonelfox on 04-25-2001 at 05:58 PM]

 

The price tag was $5900 and I suckerd him down to $3900 kinda as a joke at first.The wife loved it as well except for the stock stereo.
I got $500 for the beretta and drove the Laser home the next day.
Even with all the miles on that little car (235,000)it still will our run most 4 and 6 cylinder cars.

To sum it all up I got a great lookin, more powerful than my prevois car,cheap ,low miles,and it has been very reliable.

You kinda got ripped off. I paid $3900 for my 1990 Eagle Talon ESI, and I got slightly ripped off. It had just under 90000 MI. Pretty close to mint condition too (except for the fact that the front of the car is a few shades darker than the rest of it.) Ohh well. As long as you're happy

 

Well, when i bought my Eclipse, i was all of 18 and just out of highschool. I loved the look more than anything, and got a great deal on it from a cut-off preppy kid who couldn't afford it (and the insurance was low). At the time, i didn't care if it was a non turbo, but from day one i was dreaming of aftermarket turbo kits. (i had a friend that turbocharged his 94 Civic DX hatchback that was always showing me the ads) I didn't really get into performance until the day i found 2gnt.com and learned of all the potential it had. Once i got convinced of this, i started to get a lot more involved with my car... and here i am now. I have it, i love it, i wouldn't part with it for the world. It's been there for me when nothing else was, and i've been able to depend on it when my life would throw me a curve. She's taken care of me. My GF calls the GS my wife. it sounds sad, i'm sure, but hey, when your in love....

 

I bought a 2GNT because my customers expressed a great interest in seeing a turbosystem designed for it. Three years later, I still own the car, and my wife currently drives it daily (I took away her turbo PT Cruiser for more development work, but I WILL get the RS back shortly!). She can tell you that in daily use, the RS gets the job done nicely.

Of course, I had my reasons. But why would someone else choose an RS for this scenario? I can provide a few other reasons:

Lightest 2G DSM available.
Engine responds well to mods, no inherent problems.
Transmission holds up to the power, and can be modded with many choices of gear ratios and internal parts.
Less expensive up front.
Less expensive to insure.

Now, this is not an argument against GS-T or GS-X. I love them too! But life is too short to be limited to one kind of fun. Call this instead a fresh perspective, one too often overlooked, or perhaps just not understood, during NT-bashing.

Do not think a replica of this car is expensive, as here is what it takes to go mid 11's as a daily driver:

20G turbo
Fuel injectors
Fuel system electronics
Fuel pump upgrade
Front mount intercooler
Intercooler pipes
Downpipe upgrade
Cat-back exhaust
Pistons / rods
Clutch upgrade
Boost controller
Wheels / tires

Sound like a familiar list? Sure it does...not any different than what one might do to a GS-X or GS-T for similar performance. So why do it to the RS-GS instead? In addition to the reasons outlined above, add another: now that this NT engine has piston and rod upgrades, it will hold up to at least 600 HP dependably. How can I say that? Done it, and not just once. See this month's issues of Hot Rod, Super Street, and Mopar Muscle for a streetable TEN second, 140 MPH version of this drivetrain. Sure, it's in a Neon (snicker if you will, just don't pull up next to it), but it still proves a point for the much maligned NT engine.

Hondas aren't the only cars that go fast with turbos installed on non-turbo models! But unlike Hondas, NT DSM's can do it without having to sink megabucks into the engine.

I know all DSM's can get along. There just needs to be some mutual respect and less condescending attitudes, without hypocrisy. I am reminded of a line from a famous novel:

"All (DSM's) are created equal. But some (DSM's) are more equal than others". - A parts credit to the first person who can identify this quote correctly (please forgive my interpretation of it!).

 

(same thought and with a different plot)

-Ghoste

 

Animal Farm -- 8th grade English

 

Style not power

When I want power I'll drive my GTO with over 400hp, but for just daily driving I'd rather drive my GS with its 150hp. And when it comes down to it the GTO can take any of the eclipses out there except a couple that run in the 9's.
For the price of a turbo system I can build a 600 hp engine for a older domestic, so why not have two cars? That and cops love to pull me over for no reason when I drive the eclipse.

 

I got my nt cause my parents wouldnt let me get a turbo (they have this image that i would suddenly speed and get in accidents if i got a faster car). I love it, it handles great, and isn't all that slow. As the 1g nt site says "it's more fun to drive a slower car at ten tenths than it is to drive a fast car at 5 tenths" (or something like that). The other reason is that the lowest mileage I could find on a turbo car was around 90,000mi. My 93 nt has 55,000mi on the motor and 71,000 on the chassis, and I paid $3,800! Couldn't pass up a deal like that. The insurance is great too.

The last reason is that my last car was a 90 hp subaru station wagon.

 

Actually I couldn't tell ya why I bought a N/T car..Maybe I juts wasnt thinking..But I'm looking for a Talon or Laser turbocharged in the area for a good price..

 

I drive a non turbo because my uncle sold it to me. He owned it (92 Talon 2.0) for awhile along with a Tsi and he took very good care of both. Other reasons I bought it, insurance is cheap and it had 90K on it and I only paid 2500 bucks for it and he even let me pay him 100 bucks a month for it and I wasnt about to pass that up because at the time i was driving a 1986 Chevy Custom Deluxe C/10 fullsize pickup. That truck was like a rock, but not may chicks like them things. LoL.

Ryan

 

HRC:

TO HRC:

It was used by George Orwell:

"All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others." George Orwell

It was also coined in the satirical moral of Animal Farm used by the exploitative pigs, "all are created equal, but some are more equal than others."

oops! Sorry didn't see your post above, Doug. Nevermind...






[Edited by Jason ESi-T on 04-27-2001 at 03:53 PM]

 

Haha, I never though that junior high English would come in handy