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Discussion starter · #44 ·
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

Did you get those bolts out? I can tell you how to do it :p.
Yeah, I sawzall'ed them out then bought a similar bushing from JNZ (because you can't just buy that one, you have to buy the whole arm) and used washers to make it work well. Along with some new OEM toe adjustment bolts, and a lot of anti seize, I actually finished that and the rest of the polyurethane bushings last night when the sun was coming back up. I think shy of an alignment the suspension is done.

It is time for me to do the motor. My brothers Mr2 is in the garage as of this morning and we are pulling and building his 3sgte. So, before that is done I will have to buy the rest of my parts for a motor build, so I can start it the moment his car comes out of there.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, I appreciate it.
 
Discussion starter · #46 · (Edited)
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

The suspension is done, the good wheels and tires are back on making her stance everything I was looking for. (no more 4x4 truck)

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A walk around video of the Talon.


So right now I’m just collecting up the parts I will need to rebuild the turbo and the bottom end of the motor. So far I have wiseco pistons & scat rods.

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I also have fidanza cam gears (so I can finally dial in the bc272’s) a topline water pump and oem timing side pulleys.

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I also have a new tensioner sitting around here along with other parts.

I still need quite a few things.
• 6 bolt full gasket kit cometic, with new head gasket.
• Timing belt, (Oem preferred, no Kevlar )
• New Oem Hyundai oil pump, (No topline)
• Acl main and Acl rod bearings
• Machine work from dlk. –Cleaning, freeze plugs, bore/hone, balance
• Tdo5 rebuild kit

Once I get these things in or done, I should be good to go. (no money)

Things are coming together with the car, not fast enough because I really want to go to the track and travel around this summer. I want it done like… Now.

I have also been kicking around some ideas for tinting the tail lights, but that is in another thread.
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214297&highlight=opinions
 
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

Cause an OEM water pump is way too expensive for the same thing. And it's only a water pump?

Now oil pump... different story...
 
Discussion starter · #52 · (Edited)
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

Do those topline water pumps come with metal or plastic fins?
Are you trying to be funny or asking a real question? Just incase you were being serious, I checked. The fins are metal the casing is aluminum. Freeze plug looks to be metal, but is a different type than the fins, as the fins appear to be golden in color and the freeze plug is silver.


Just wondering, why a topline water pump?
Cheap.

I usually end up changing the timing belt and water pump about every 20,000 miles anyways (more like once a year), so it is not a big deal to toss on a new water pump if need be.

If it is no good,

DSMlink will light up warning lights if my temps start to get out of hand from something like a failed pump, so I'm confident that I'll be able to shut down before causing any problems if the topline pump turns out to be Junk.

I’m broke, and always have been.

It basically boils down to... I have used PCI and ITM parts for things such as timing belts, pulleys, tensioners and water pumps without a single issue. The topline pump was bought BNIB from a member on here for so cheap that I couldn’t pass it up. So until one of these non-OEM parts fails me, I will continue to use them.


Now don’t get me wrong, there are some parts that I will still only use oem, but through trial and error I have found a good combination of parts that work for me.

I hope that helps answer the question. Thanks guys for the input. I do appriciate feedback and questions as the car and its build mean a lot to me.
 
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

How much hp can really be gained on adjustable cam gears? 5-10hp? Im just curious. So this is a really nice build. Keep up the good work!
 
Discussion starter · #54 · (Edited)
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

How much hp can really be gained on adjustable cam gears? 5-10hp? Im just curious. So this is a really nice build. Keep up the good work!
Thanks!

And I'm not sure about the power gains from Adj. cam gears, I am more interested in “dialing in” the Brian crower 272”’s that I already have on the car. I have HEARD that anywhere from minor gains to double digit HP gains coming from dialing in a set of cams. Brian Crowers are notorious for being off, and needing dialed in, although this does not make them a bad set of drop in cams, for after installing these cams my car it felt like…my jump from a 14b to a 16g. If I can pick up any gains from advancing the gears on the Dyno it will be nice to have that option although I really doubt I will ever get a chance to do that.

Update on the car. A compression test and leak down test performed earlier today went well. So well that I am going to try to push one more season out of this stock-ish 6 bolt bottom end. I don’t feel the need to make my compression numbers public, but they were within 3-4 psi of each other and well above the service limit.

The money that was devoted towards the machine work of the rebuild is most likely going to go towards a larger turbo. It looks like it will be a basic 50 trim.

So although a BB, Extended tip s256 OR a 35r would be sweet...I would like to keep things cheap! AND replaceable... So journal bearing is a must. Period. I'll deal with the spool vs cost, rebuildable trade off.

This “keep things realistic” is the same theme that went along with everything on the car that has been installed so far... so I won't be spending $1200 on a turbo...I can't bring myself to do it. IF something takes that 12 hundred dollar turbo out… I'm screwed.

I KNOW one thing for sure, I will be buying a journal bearing turbo, b/c it is fixable and less expensive. No 35r b/c I do not want to move too far away from a d.d. –able car by breaking driveline parts. The s256et is my dream journal bearing turbo, but just costs too damn much.

If I can do something just a little bit bigger than a 50 trim that would be sweet… so we can get a little more out of the car, once the motor gets built with the parts I already have sitting here…

But I still need to find that happy median. :dunno:

My overall goal and stopping point on the DSM platform is,

400+ hp and no more than 400ft/lbs of torque

This has been the HP/TQ goal the entire time that I have been building towards on this ride. If need be I will keep the boost low until I can afford a SMIM to achieve this lower TQ value.

My goal is getting closer and closer to being achieved with d.d. reliability, It might even happen this season if priorities and money don’t get in the way.
 
Discussion starter · #56 ·
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

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Looking outstanding, Ben.
Thanks GI,

The MHI evo 3 16g that I bought brand new has been good to me for the last year...But now it is time for a little more. I had a lot of fun pushing the 16g. And I will miss it.


This pte 50 trim will be here next week.
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My gasket kit and timing belt are here, so add those to the parts list for the motor build.
I'm just a set of rod/mains and an oil pump away from having everything.
 
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

But I still need to find that happy median. :dunno:

My overall goal and stopping point on the DSM platform is,

400+ hp and no more than 400ft/lbs of torque

This has been the HP/TQ goal the entire time that I have been building towards on this ride. If need be I will keep the boost low until I can afford a SMIM to achieve this lower TQ value.
Sounds like something Ive said a couple times :cool:
 
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

I decided to stop over to lend a few small missing parts, and kill some time assisting on this turbo getting installed.

Here are some turbo install pictures! And some other misc photo's taken today.

The parts man cometh...
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Looking pretty empty in here...
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Turbo on... going back together!
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Up close and personal with the SCM50. :cool:
<Insert something funny random about the mightyness of the 50-trim...> uhm... I'm going to go with... WOOHAAA Got you all in check! :dunno:
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More complete...
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All done. Love this photo...
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2nd favorite...
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Start up video. (Turbo was primed by pouring oil down the feed line before hand. Noise is power steering pump.)
 
Discussion starter · #60 · (Edited)
Re: Lazylaser’s DSM journey 97 talon

Well, It hurts me to say it. The turbo lasted for about 30-45 minutes of driving, and two pulls.

It sounds like the turbine blades shot out the back. The fins on the intake side are destroyed, it is smoking to the point I couldn't see car headlights behind me.

The car builds zero boost.

After spending very much time fixing all the little things on the car and really taking my time to make sure everything was 100%, as I didn't want to touch the car for a long time. It came time to tune, asmo hopped in to do the tune. We got the coolant temps just right, then we got the fuel trims in line.

Everything was working well, good oil pressure, etc. So it was now time to do the wot via dsmlink.
Not a single count of knock, 13* of timing up top, we set the boost at 25 psi, well within the limits of my supporting mods. One test pull and everything was fine, a little rich so asmo leaned it out so we would be at 11.5:1 Af.

A second pull the car felt awesome, all the way up until 6500 rpm, redline is 7750.
It almost felt like a coupler tore, not quite blew off. So we pulled over and checked, Asmo looked at the log as I inspected under the hood for anything wrong.. After finding nothing we decided to do one last pull for the night as it was getting late.

I pull unto the onramp of the high way, get into third gear around 3000 rpm and give it full throttle. Lag, until 4200 rpm then the car turns into a rocket ship. I shift from 3 to 4th, for about an instant the car continued to pull then POP, it was not a sound it just felt like I blew off a coupler, but behind me was smoke, lots of it.

Ok I'm thinking coupler popped and it went rich, that’s where the smoke came from. I got off the exit ramp and went to give it gas so I could pull into a gas station and have a look. I got 0 boost and I thought I could hear i/c pipe dragging.

As we were pulling into the gas station that’s when I saw the cloud of blue smoking following me, not good.

There were no i/c pipes out of place, nothing was wrong under the hood. We pulled the filter off, and saw damaged blades; we took turns feeling the ungodly shaft play and knew it was game over. We checked the feed line, it was full of oil. It must have just been a crappy rebuild from pte, it was a brand new center section… I stretched myself thin on this turbo, and am in a bad place now; not real sure what to do. I'm pretty certain that when this turbo is pulled off there will be little to nothing left of the exhaust wheel.

Pictures will come in time; I have no real desire to touch the car. I have to be honest; I expected to break something else, not the brand new f’ing new center section.

My parents, yeah I’m 25, are asking me if this is really such a smart thing to have this toy as a d.d. and only car, I’m having trouble finding any way to disagree with them as this “tuner” lifestyle has me feeling like a junkie, with tons of time and money spent and little to show for it.

It’s not the dsms fault, she holds up just fine with 140,000+ miles on six bolt bottom end and 100% original 100,000 mile 2g transmission. Again I’m back to the same mindset… I have to get money quick so that I can spent it quick. I would like to use a 50trim but damn PTE did not make a good first impression with me. I have a 14b here with bad shaft play but it doesn’t smoke, that is my only option at this point.
 
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