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Abrupt GT

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Ok, this story is fairly long and engrossed, but let's begin.

I was crusing down Deer Park Avenue in Long Island looking for some trouble. I saw a red 95-99 Eclipse GS-T stop at a light to make a U-turn into a parking lot. I followed him into the parking lot and pulled up beside him and asked him and his buddy if they wanted to run. The driver looked at my car and said "Which car do you want me to run?" I said, "This one." Him and his friend started laughing and he said, "Are you joking?" I said, "Bring your car out on the street and see if I'm joking.." It was on..

We started from a roll in 1st gear at about 10mph, when I hit it, it was too late for him. I immediately got a car length from him and kept the length through second. We had to stop at a light but I knew he had missed a gear so I was willing to do a rerun. When the light changed green, we started again from a roll. This time I told him when I beep my horn 3 times, to go. After the 3rd beep, we hit it again, this time staying dead even. Through second gear, we were still dead even, then into 3rd gear we were even and had to stop because of traffic. The driver immediately asked me "You got turbo in that thing??" I laughed and nodded my head in acceptance.

We did a U-turn and stopped and a McDonald's. He was astonished to say the least. The fact of the matter was that I knew his car wasn't stock because I could hear his blow-off valve when he let off the gas. My question to one of you DSM owners is do all of the newer turbo models have a BOV that vents to the atmosphere? The reason I am asking is because when he popped the hood I could tell his BOV was stock and not capped at the inlet hose to allow venting to the air. I DID notice that his turbo was bigger than the stock turbo (which is distinctly small) and his compressor housing was shiny silver with his exhaust heat shield removed (now why would he do that when his car is stock). What pissed me off a little about the guy is that he said his car was pure stock except his K&N filter cone. I didn't see any boost controller. When I inspected his exhaust, I asked his friend if he had aftermarket exhaust. His friend confirmed with a "yes", but when the driver came around, he goes "No, that's a stock exhaust system." I couldn't tell because I know those cars have 2 tips on the muffler stock.

Anyway, going home, we went for it again on a long stretch and this is when my car started to edge him out. As I went into 4th gear, I started creeping him and we both had to get out of it. I'm sure that on top side, I would've left him.

One last thing, my car would've demolished a stock Eclipse GS-T, so I know he had more than a cone filter. The mistake the guy made is that the Probe GT and older 1st gen Talons and Eclipses were in direct competition with each other stock! He couldn't believe that my car stock only pulled 145hp, but I told him that the torque was 190lbs/ft stock. He also didn't know that the Talon during that year could beat the Probe off the line but not from a rolling start.. Hehehehe:)

-M
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90' Ford Probe GT Intercooled Turbo
Mods: Blitz cone filter, HKS exhaust with Dynomax muffler, and Upgraded IHI turbo from Turbo Engineering running stock boost (@7psi).
 
Why did he agree to a rolling start, didnt you both come to a red light together? I dont think he had much more mods, if you didnt see a MBC, thats like one of the most important things. Stock he still had 13more Ft/lbs torque than you. But you are obviously not stock either. Well good job, if your gonna beat a dsm at beat a cocky dsm owner.
 
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thetalonguy said:
Why did he agree to a rolling start, didnt you both come to a red light together?
Cops are too heavy down there. Doing rolling starts are what most people do. As soon as a screeching noise is found, cops hiding in the corners will definitely come out.


I dont think he had much more mods, if you didnt see a MBC, thats like one of the most important things.
I think he had the following:
Exhaust
Intake
Upgraded turbo

IF that is the case, then we had the same mods. Twas a damn good run though.


Stock he still had 13more Ft/lbs torque than you.
So. It still couldn't out accelerate the Probe when they both came to market (well, to be fair the Probe was never put up against a 2G eclipse). Weight has a lot to do with it.

Btw, with your mods, you should come see me sometime. We have much racing to do....:)

-M
 
I have no problem with meeting up. But my car should hopefully go in this week for some more mods. Fuel Pump, rewire, EGT, and some other maintenace. I can finally up the boost a little bit and finally tune my damn S-AFC. But I you still wanna meet up after, I have no problem.
It was a good run you had with him, but hopefully you should have more trouble with me. ;-)
 
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thetalonguy said:
I have no problem with meeting up. But my car should hopefully go in this week for some more mods. Fuel Pump, rewire, EGT, and some other maintenace. I can finally up the boost a little bit and finally tune my damn S-AFC. But I you still wanna meet up after, I have no problem.
It was a good run you had with him, but hopefully you should have more trouble with me. ;-)
Well, I'll have a few mods of my own when you see me next on DPA..Hehehehehe:)

-M
 
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Steeltwo said:
why can a probe gt with 145hp and 190 lbs of torque hang with a car with 210hp and 200+ lbs of torque?
does the probe weight that much less?
Well, don't compare the newer models. The only models we can really compare is the 1g models with 195HP.

Odd it may seem, but true. The ProbeGT was considered a very underrated car for insurance purposes. But I think its in the car's torque curve. If you've ever test driven one, the car's boost feels like no other turbo car. It rushes in suddenly instead of gradually giving it a remarked advantage over other car's turbo lag.

I know my RX7 Turbo II will spank my Probe, but driving in the Probe "feels" stronger than my RX7 (the RX7's hp/torque band is fairly linear and smooth).


-M
 
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Abrupt GT said:

Well, don't compare the newer models. The only models we can really compare is the 1g models with 195HP.

A 50 HP advantage is a lot....and trap speed is an indication of HP. It means the car with more power(considering almost equal weight) will always win from a rolling start.
 
Good job Abrupt! :D I have an MX-6 turbo, so I know how ya feel about surprising people with the sleeper. Did you drop in the Thunderbird upgrade turbo? And hey, how come only 7 PSI? Too bad you don't live anywhere near me - it'd be fun to compare rides. I have run mine against a '95 TSi AWD and done quite well thru the first three gears, although it's hard to make up the loss of an FWD launch.
 
its sounds to me the guy in the Gst was basiclly stock. its kinda of dumb to have an upgraded turbo and no m/b/c & no supporting mods??? what color is your probe? maybe we can meet up sometime on DPA for a little friendly race:). look for a white 1g (gSx) that has plates that read BOOSTN91. my car is fairly stock:)...

good job with the Gst..
 
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Re: Re: Re: ?

Originally posted by Krish2IT
A 50 HP advantage is a lot....and trap speed is an indication of HP. It means the car with more power(considering almost equal weight) will always win from a rolling start.
Tis true, but there is no explanation then of why the Probe GT turbo during those years was in direct competition with the Eagle Talon AWD other than underrated HP. If I recall correctly, the Talon posted 6.6 0-60 vs. 7.2 0-60 for the Probe. But during the street start, the Talon lost a full sec to 7.6, and Probe only lost .2 sec resulting in 7.4 0-60.

Quarter mile speeds are what raise a big question concerning the rated 145HP.

-M
 
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AWD Terror said:
Good job Abrupt! :D I have an MX-6 turbo, so I know how ya feel about surprising people with the sleeper. Did you drop in the Thunderbird upgrade turbo?
Actually I am assuming that that upgrade was done. But it was done professionally (Turbo Engineering) and has a bigger housing than the regular "drop a t-bird compressor wheel in the stock housing", so I really don't know everything that was done to the turbo I have.

And hey, how come only 7 PSI?
Haven't gotten a boost controller yet. I used to run without a cat and the boost crept to the point where fuel cut-off set in. During those days, it was too expensive to afford an HKS PFC-con, so I stuck with it. After getting tired of the cut-off, I put the cat back on. But I heard of some fella that does chip mods, so I'm looking into that.


-M
 
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DSMing91 said:
its sounds to me the guy in the Gst was basiclly stock. its kinda of dumb to have an upgraded turbo and no m/b/c & no supporting mods???
Yea, I was sorta thinking about that too. But that also means that my turbo isn't drawing in enough air for some real power. Basically, I'd say that my car was operating the equivalent of just the air filter and the cat-back exhaust. Almost all things being equal, he still should've beat me (@210HP + ~10HP for K&N cone). Of course, this is according to the rated stock 145HP that Ford advertises for that car.:) That'd put me at what - 175HP with my mods??

There are 2 questions that make me really doubt it though:
(1) Why would the heat shield be removed from the exhaust manifold if no work on the turbo was done (save a replacement turbo..)?
(2) Why did his friend say he had an aftermarket exhaust system when I asked?


what color is your probe? maybe we can meet up sometime on DPA for a little friendly race:).
That would be a cool race I'm sure. I'll look for you. I have a red Probe GT. It looks stock all the way from the windows to the wheels..

-M
 
sounds cool..

my car is all stock looking too. its probably the only 1g with side markers on it. easy to spot.

as far as the heat shield; yeah i agree with what you said
"1) Why would the heat shield be removed from the exhaust manifold if no work on the turbo was done (save a replacement turbo..)?"""...

but some people just take it off just for the looks under the hood or just to eliminate (sp?) somehting thats not needed. seems like his friend didn't know his ass from his elbo, LOL.. see you around.
 
Abrupt, look for me too. Black 1G, we can go to a nearby lonley strip called ****** Ave (its a secret:D) and run there. Im probably the only 1G with stock exhaust.;) Your from deerparkavenue.com, right?
 
Wow this guy has a lot on his hands now, Three dsms that are looking to race him. LOL, maybe that guy in the dsm didnt know how to drive?
 
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turbolover2 said:
Abrupt, look for me too. Black 1G, we can go to a nearby lonley strip called ****** Ave (its a secret:D) and run there. Im probably the only 1G with stock exhaust.;) Your from deerparkavenue.com, right?
Yea, PM me the name of the Ave so I'll know. And do any of you guys have MSN Messenger? I'd like to stay in contact with some you on a reg basis..

-M
 
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turbolover2 said:
Abrupt, look for me too. Black 1G, we can go to a nearby lonley strip called ****** Ave (its a secret:D) and run there. Im probably the only 1G with stock exhaust.;) Your from deerparkavenue.com, right?
Yea, PM me the name of the Ave so I'll know. And do any of you guys have MSN Messenger? I'd like to stay in contact with some you on a reg basis..

-M
 
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