[alm80]

Asmodeus,

Man you sure are a negative cat arent ya, i mean come on you know as well as i do that there 4 cylinders out there that make all kinds of power without a turbo, ya you may have to have the worlds most expensive (possibly pointless ) 4-cylinder but if it's doable its doable and if the dude wants to do it i say do it cause after one guy figures it out then the knowledge becomes mainstream and we all can enjoy the fruits of his labor for a lesser cost

I personally dont trust peoples online dyno graphs i mean with any speard sheet software you sould make one look good enough that most people wouldnt be able to tell its not real

 

[Roman]

The whole problem with that is he was wanting to stay smog legal. There's no way to do that and make a 334 whp n/a 4 cylinder motor. You'd have to have a lot of money. Hundreds of thousands. Because it would have to be a drag motor and you'd have to rebuild it all the time and have custom parts. 334whp is not going to happen. I know it has never happened with a 2gnt. Like I said, 200 whp hasn't happened yet, unless someone did it without telling anybody.

 

[SVT Rob]

actually, if you tune your vehicle properly, put on a high flow catalytic converter, and shit like that, you can stay smog legal, and still make high horsepower. Look at the mustangs and f-bodys. You just have less cylinders to work with.

Rob

 

[Roman]

actually, if you tune your vehicle properly, put on a high flow catalytic converter, and shit like that, you can stay smog legal, and still make high horsepower. Look at the mustangs and f-bodys. You just have less cylinders to work with.

Rob

 

[fullmoon]

Asmodeus,

Man you sure are a negative cat arent ya, i mean come on you know as well as i do that there 4 cylinders out there that make all kinds of power without a turbo, ya you may have to have the worlds most expensive (possibly pointless ) 4-cylinder but if it's doable its doable and if the dude wants to do it i say do it cause after one guy figures it out then the knowledge becomes mainstream and we all can enjoy the fruits of his labor for a lesser cost

I personally dont trust peoples online dyno graphs i mean with any speard sheet software you sould make one look good enough that most people wouldnt be able to tell its not real

Thank you for the complament I wanna do mines different from guys with turbos it's a challenge but I belive I can rise to the challenge.
If guys with Hondas can do it I can too or at least try.

I talked to a guy and he told me to buy these things what do you guys think?

starting with 140hp stock and wanting to reach 200hp is very possible. here is what you would need to buy in order to reach your goal of 200hp.

1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r)
2. venom intake manifold
3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump
4. nology spark plug wires
5. denso iridium spark plugs
6. headers
7. cat-back exhaust system
8. throttle body spacer
9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I'm sure it should at least hit 200 to the flywheel by the time it hits the wheeld I'd probably hit 162hp.
Not bad if this guy is correct I would only need 19% more power to hit 200hp to the wheels where do I get that 19% w/o adding a cam that will cause a bad smog test, I wounder will modifying my computor get me that 19% or should I run a totally different computor system but hide it somewhere?
At least I'll be in the GS-T stock hp area at this point with only 8hp to go I can look to a few more mods such as port and polish etc later to get that at this point this would be fine with me.

 

[Roman]

Thank you for the complament I wanna do mines different from guys with turbos it's a challenge but I belive I can rise to the challenge.
If guys with Hondas can do it I can too or at least try.

I talked to a guy and he told me to buy these things what do you guys think?

starting with 140hp stock and wanting to reach 200hp is very possible. here is what you would need to buy in order to reach your goal of 200hp.

1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r)
2. venom intake manifold
3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump
4. nology spark plug wires
5. denso iridium spark plugs
6. headers
7. cat-back exhaust system
8. throttle body spacer
9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I'm sure it should at least hit 200 to the flywheel by the time it hits the wheeld I'd probably hit 162hp.
Not bad if this guy is correct I would only need 19% more power to hit 200hp to the wheels where do I get that 19% w/o adding a cam that will cause a bad smog test, I wounder will modifying my computor get me that 19% or should I run a totally different computor system but hide it somewhere?
At least I'll be in the GS-T stock hp area at this point with only 8hp to go I can look to a few more mods such as port and polish etc later to get that at this point this would be fine with me.

Who ever told you that doesn't know anything about cars. The only items in that list that will give you more power is the intake, headers, and exhaust. All those together will give you about 10-15 hp at the very most. That venom intake manifold is straight garbage. The stock mani. is a good piece. Just port and polish it. The fuel pump won't be needed either. The stock one will provide enough for 200whp n/a. Plugs and wires will not do anything but make your car run a little smoother. The throttle body spacer is worthless.

If you want to make power while staying n/a, you are going to have to do a lot of headwork, and cams are going to be your biggest power adder. You could also bump up your compression by replacing your stock pistons with some aftermarket ones. JE makes 10.5:1 and 12.5:1. You will need something to tune with as well. A standalone would be the best bet for trying to stay smog legal.

It is sad, but the honda guys make big power because of the vtec. Variable valve timing does add a lot of power. With that being said, I went to Nopi Nationals a year or two ago, and the two highest hp 4 cylinder n/a cars were s2000's and they made 205hp and 206 hp.

 

[Roman]

Something else I didn't think about, but you should invest in some nitrous. You can stay small legal and have gobs of power at the push of a button. Just don't let the pigs catch you with it

 

[fullmoon]

Who ever told you that doesn't know anything about cars. The only items in that list that will give you more power is the intake, headers, and exhaust. All those together will give you about 10-15 hp at the very most. That venom intake manifold is straight garbage. The stock mani. is a good piece. Just port and polish it. The fuel pump won't be needed either. The stock one will provide enough for 200whp n/a. Plugs and wires will not do anything but make your car run a little smoother. The throttle body spacer is worthless.

If you want to make power while staying n/a, you are going to have to do a lot of headwork, and cams are going to be your biggest power adder. You could also bump up your compression by replacing your stock pistons with some aftermarket ones. JE makes 10.5:1 and 12.5:1. You will need something to tune with as well. A standalone would be the best bet for trying to stay smog legal.

It is sad, but the honda guys make big power because of the vtec. Variable valve timing does add a lot of power. With that being said, I went to Nopi Nationals a year or two ago, and the two highest hp 4 cylinder n/a cars were s2000's and they made 205hp and 206 hp.

I read on 2gnt.com or whatever that site is called cams make it hard to pass smog so i try the 10.5:1 pistons hopefully I won't hafta bore it outas well, mabey a bigger crank will help I check on that too. Thnx for heads up

 

[GPTourer]

How much can the redline be raised? Honda's make all that power waaay up there too. If you can get it to rev to 9000 and hold together, then peak power will go up with it. Maybe destroking the motor is a possibility to 1.8 or so might help.

 

[fullmoon]

How much can the redline be raised? Honda's make all that power waaay up there too. If you can get it to rev to 9000 and hold together, then peak power will go up with it. Maybe destroking the motor is a possibility to 1.8 or so might help.

I gotta recheck the redline safty factor I thought it was 8,000 and I saw a site on how to remove the resistor that controls the maximum speed I see If I can do that when I get back home. Thx.

 

[Roman]

You can raise the redline through headwork and tuning.

The only eclipse with a max speed is the gst. The rs/gs doesn't have one and I believe the gsx doesn't either.

 

[fullmoon]

You can raise the redline through headwork and tuning.

The only eclipse with a max speed is the gst. The rs/gs doesn't have one and I believe the gsx doesn't either.

Coool!!! I'm sure I can get at least the 200hp to the wheels or at least the fly I hate a slow car that looks like it goes fast I have had guys run up behind me then vear off like they were in "Top Gun" calling my out!
I talked to my fellow truckers and a few gave me good tips like pistons and crank etc I put all these ides to work I should be able to come up with some kinda little racer.
If I go too far in moding I thought about doubling up the smog equipment controlls on the car whatever those parts may be I have'nt looked under the hood with the smog man over my shoulder to point out what is what.
I don't think they would say much about that I ask one of 'em today by phone that may be the secret key to controlling the emmissions

 

[BOOSTERchair]

With that being said, I went to Nopi Nationals a year or two ago, and the two highest hp 4 cylinder n/a cars were s2000's and they made 205hp and 206 hp.

s2ks are rwd so they have higher d/t loss, and they are 2.0s so it can be done with a 2.0 fwd.

 

[Junkyarddog]

This may be taking things off topic, but with 11k to go on the car....which is unfortunatley not worth that by any stretch... Modifying it to make any more power than it already has a very poor investment. Paying off the car may be hard enough, but adding the headache of modifying it smog legal and making it's resale value questionable is taking things beyond the point of madness.

I drive a GS, but I would sell it and get something else if I ever decided it wasn't fast enough.

Think of what you could buy with the money you plan on sinking into this... The best route for you is to pay down the principle on that ridiculous balance and reduce the possibility of getting taken on interest.

 

[fullmoon]

This may be taking things off topic, but with 11k to go on the car....which is unfortunatley not worth that by any stretch... Modifying it to make any more power than it already has a very poor investment. Paying off the car may be hard enough, but adding the headache of modifying it smog legal and making it's resale value questionable is taking things beyond the point of madness.

I drive a GS, but I would sell it and get something else if I ever decided it wasn't fast enough.

Think of what you could buy with the money you plan on sinking into this... The best route for you is to pay down the principle on that ridiculous balance and reduce the possibility of getting taken on interest.

Thank you for the heads up I have thought about that too but it will mean throwing away approx $14,000 plus 3 years of my life...not good.
See i bought it back about 4 yrs ago she only had 25,000mi on the od like new (only got 63,000 on the od now ) I looked it up in the Black book said ok I'll take it for approx 17,390 I even told the dealer what that I had planned to add a turbo he said nothing and trust me I did not know about smog laws and turbo restrictions in California If I had I would have bought a Camaro V8 SS or a Trans AM

Total price w %10.50 intrest 27,161.50 only got approx 18mo to pay this thing off....thank God!!!

The Mitsubishi dealer(s) did not want to trade back and wanted to jack me on an 05 and 06 (tells ya how they feel about their loyal customers no discount worth talking about)

One Chevy dealer said he would trade it for a New Cobalt SS automatic for only 15,000 but I gotta eat approx 6,000 from the eclipse
Another Chevy dealer said just to pay it off and come back later.
And another said I would be better off just to pay it off then buy a home then borrow from the value of the home and pay cash I like that idea .

I could have the best of both worlds pay it off borrow the $10,000 from the value of the home and pop a built up GST engine under the hood

Resale from these cars hehehehe!!! there is no resale value!!! just look on the net these cars are to quote a trucker I spoke with "The cheepest cars to buy and to modify" except in my case .

I have looked at all my options including relocating my car to Texas where I have kin and the laws are more lax and I could add a turbo.

So there you have it the story of leaping and not looking so I may as well swallow my pride keep it and play with this slow polk (No pun intended) for a while till I get that one year of ownership in on my 1st house when I buy it approx 3 years from now then I may buy me a new car with cold cash and give this car to my future wife or keep it as a 2nd car.

After what I have been through I ain't too keen on auto dealers and what really hurts me the most is seeing my fellow Americans at GM go through financial problems and I may not be able to help them in hard times as they helped my father I guess all I can do is pray and I hope all that reads this will do the same...

 

[Junkyarddog]

Yes auto dealers are crooks and they will always be. I used to be all about the fast cars and I was fortunate to own an '84 Trans Am...which was slow, but I made it fast Then the 3000 GT SL...which I could never figure out for sure if it measured up to the T/A since it lacked the torque but seemed to have a good deal of top end (the T/A would not go 135mph) Apples and oranges I suppose, both were very fun to drive!

It's nice to know I could have an AWD turbo DSM, but I bought my GS to save money for the time being. I still like fast cars and I know so much more about them now, but owning one and building it up is so expensive. I don't live at mom's house anymore and somethings just aren't as reaslistic for me. It's not that I don't like to spend the money, but I make different decisions about how it's spent today than I would if I were still 18.

Trading in any car is generally a BAD move. If you can afford to pay off enough to get it into a reasonable resale range, try to find a buyer who will pay off the lein, private sale.

If you want to move to Texas to add the turbo, that's a little bizzare, but it's not a bad idea. Texas is a nice place and real estate is more affordable if that's the route your going.

 

[fullmoon]

s2ks are rwd so they have higher d/t loss, and they are 2.0s so it can be done with a 2.0 fwd.

Hay thanx for heads up and I'll only deal with shops with a good rep and buy parts that have a good rep as well to get the most HP even if I don't get the full 200hp. I'm gonna try to get real close I can settle for quick instead of fast.

I know guys are saying boost is the way to go and 200hp. is wayyy out there but I just wanna do my mods different it's a challenge (Maximinm power + Low emmissions) but somebody's gotta try to do it sooner or later or at least till some turbo company sees the ($Big Bucks$) they can make here in Calif. and make a tubo that is Calif. CARB compliant

I personally would pay 2xs the amount Hahn charges to get this puppy turboed out here in Calif. if they would make one for us out here

 

[shadow_FIX]

1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r)
2. venom intake manifold
3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump
4. nology spark plug wires
5. denso iridium spark plugs
6. headers
7. cat-back exhaust system
8. throttle body spacer
9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You only need one header. The exhaust manifold is only on one side of the motor, being only a 4-cylinder. If you had a V-8, then two headers would be needed.

Other than that, it looks pretty good. It sucks that you're limited by the smog tests...otherwise there'd be more options for you.

 

[fullmoon]

I think he was typing fast or had his mind on other cars he works at JC Witney thx

 

[dsmfan95]

s2ks are rwd so they have higher d/t loss, and they are 2.0s so it can be done with a 2.0 fwd.

I hope you're not comparing the S2000 2.0L to the 2gnt 2.0L.